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post #41 of 71 Old 05-12-2010, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by equiniphile View Post
I cured a rearer that way, as did my mom's boyfriend who's 66 and has been riding since he was 8.
That's nice. I know others that have used that method too. In MY opinion its a better idea to get to the root of the issue before bashing your horse over the head. I know several horses that if you did that too it would cause a blow out.

I cured rearing in Soda without hitting him and we both expanded our knowledge in the process.
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post #42 of 71 Old 05-12-2010, 09:34 PM
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that is EXACTLY what I was getting at justsambam. Thank you! Honeysuga, I was trying to explain that a RM is not always used to mask a problem. My horse does not have a problem that needs masking and yet she wears one and goes well with it.

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post #43 of 71 Old 05-12-2010, 09:39 PM
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Just to clarify, I never said it was a mask, I more compared it to duct tape, an easy or quick fix...

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post #44 of 71 Old 05-12-2010, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Honeysuga View Post
Just to clarify, I never said it was a mask, I more compared it to duct tape, an easy or quick fix...
All of the words you are using are just wrong, lol. In the situation we're referring to, there is no other way to correct the problem except getting a different horse.

its not a fix period, in eventers case. She can't fix being female. I mean, she could lift wieghts, become some body builder just to say she can control her mare without a RM, but then that just makes her look a bit stupid. People might say "why not just use a running martingale, silly?"
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post #45 of 71 Old 05-12-2010, 10:33 PM
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The martingale, on Wildey, has nothing to do with control. I can do everything without it. It is simply there so that when he is in a high adrenalin situation, he doesn't do the Arab head flip. Without it, he does. With it, he doesn't even try. It never influences the reins unless he does try.

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post #46 of 71 Old 05-12-2010, 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by maura
This works, when it works, only if you time the "whack" when the horse is coming up off the ground. The reason that it works, when it works, is the horse believes it has hit itself on something overhead that it can't see, and become reluctant to lift it's front end off the ground for fear of hitting itself again.

It's not a technique I would ever recommend to less than a very experienced, confident rider because it's very hard to do correctly and very easy to do wrong. Done wrong, all you're doing is reinforcing the bad behavior and increasing the liklihood that the animal will flip over.

I also would never recommend this technique without thoroughly investigating the root causes of the behavior. It's highly likely that this otherwise sweet and agreeable pony has a reason for this behavior and is trying to communicate it to his rider.

^^This. Assuming of course that the problem is behavioral, not a reaction to pain.

I'm not sure I understand this reply to my post. I was in no way, shape or form validating the suggestion of this technique to this poster.

The OP is a relatively green rider; not the experienced, confident rider I specified AND root cause for this behavior has not been investigated.

It's irresponsible to recommend this technique given the circumstances.

We've also already establish that a RM won't help with the rearing problem and based on the video, doesn't look like it's otherwise indicated, so there's no need to rehash the old RM debate for the OP's sake.
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post #47 of 71 Old 05-13-2010, 04:45 AM Thread Starter
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I wouldn't hit him in between the ears with a crop. And i know the way i mount is ok. He only rears when i mount him and i'm in the round ring. Today i hopped on him and he just stood there. You guys do know when he rears i only mean 2-4 inches of the ground haha. And today he only reared when he got annoyed. Because last month he got an allergic reaction from a grass and he had bumps all over him. And now they've turned to scabs, so when i was standing still and my dad and friend were picking the scabs and he got annoyed so he reared to get away from them and telling them to stop. So, it kinda is a protest. It's his way of saying stop or no. I know that sounds weird, but he has a human like personality haha. Thanks for all ur help!
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post #48 of 71 Old 05-13-2010, 04:53 AM Thread Starter
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Originally Posted by JustDressageIt View Post
Okay, now that I am back on my laptop, I can type out my response:

My first thought is pain. Either the pony's back is sore, the saddle doesn't fit, or something is up. I would get a reputable vet out to do a once-over - probably not a bad idea just to make sure her joints can stand to be jumping as well.
My second thought is: What kind of equipment are you using (bit, bridle, saddle), and does each component fit properly?
My third question is: How, exactly, do you mount up? If you are using the saddle a lot to mount up, and the saddle doesn't fit well, and/or she's back-sore, she could be rearing out of pain.
The vet has come out to see him when he got an allergic reaction. And he gave him a quick one-over and said he was fine.
The bit i use is a tomb thumb (not the western one) and the bridle is a plastic blue snaffle bridle (it's not a bad bridle) and the saddle is a eurohunter all purpose. I was thinking of getting a saddle fitter to come out and check the saddle on him.
And i mount like any other person would. Put my foot in the stirrup and swing my leg over. It's a bit hard to explain, but thats pretty much it. And when i mount i don't pull on the reins. I could actually use a mounting block, cause thats what somebody said. There is so many posts i haven't read them all!!!
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Originally Posted by wild_spot View Post
Not quite tomato/tmato, as it isn't just a differencwe in terminology, but a difference in the opinion of the equipment. But close enough :]

However, I ahve also already stated that a martingale would be useless in this situation, OP has accepted that and moved on, so all is good :]

OP - My first pony actually did the same thing; Rearing when I was mounting. She started it when I took her to our first PC camp. She would get horribly excited in the mornings with 300 odd riders and horses saddling up and moving out. I was about 11, but could handle her pretty well (She was a pesky little welsh mare) and I was absolutely horrified when they insisted on leading me around like a 5yo because of it. It took a few days to convince them I was fine and could handle her myself, and as she got tired throughout the week, it stopped.

Obviously different to your situation!

We will be able to give more advice once we have some more info - As JDI asked, what tack you are using, how you go about mounting, etc.
Spider does get excited just like ur mare. He only rears when he's REALLY excited or annoyed. And he pigroots and bucks SOMETIMES only sometimes, when i give him a little nudge to canter.
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post #50 of 71 Old 05-13-2010, 05:05 AM
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I still remain behind my first post. What a poor pony. I watched that video, and from reading your posts, all I can say is ehh.
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