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post #51 of 71 Old 05-13-2010, 05:17 AM Thread Starter
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I still remain behind my first post. What a poor pony. I watched that video, and from reading your posts, all I can say is ehh.
That was the first ever time i had jumped him.
I'm not jumping him any higher! And i'm going to start doing more jumping next year, when he's turning five. I like doing barrel racing. So i think I'll stick with that. I know jumping a young horse/pony is bad for their legs, but that was the first time i had EVER jumped him. It's not like i was jumping him 1 metre! God, i can't even jump that much higher than the video. I can jump E grade (Australian E grade at pony club) and maybe if i have more jumping lessons, i could jump higher. So don't worry, i do not won't to hurt my pony. If i did hurt him and it was my fault, i'd probably kill myself because i never want to hurt him.
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post #52 of 71 Old 05-13-2010, 06:26 AM
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That was the first ever time i had jumped him.
I'm not jumping him any higher! And i'm going to start doing more jumping next year, when he's turning five. I like doing barrel racing. So i think I'll stick with that. I know jumping a young horse/pony is bad for their legs, but that was the first time i had EVER jumped him. It's not like i was jumping him 1 metre! God, i can't even jump that much higher than the video. I can jump E grade (Australian E grade at pony club) and maybe if i have more jumping lessons, i could jump higher. So don't worry, i do not won't to hurt my pony. If i did hurt him and it was my fault, i'd probably kill myself because i never want to hurt him.
Barrels is quite a hard sport, especially on young horses leg. I've seen a lot of good horses ruined by it. I'm not dissing the sport, but its something that you need to be aware of. Barrels can also wreck a horse's training.

And to be perfectly honest, if you're only jumped E grade at PC, I don't think that qualifies you to be able to jump your young pony. I watched your video and I could list some faults but I'm trying to be polite here.

I just have 1 question though, you said your horse was broken at 2? And you didn't even know it was 2? Is that right?
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If anyone here seriously thinks those crossrails are going to damage this pony's legs, you guys are incredible. And I'd like some of the crazy lemonade you're drinking!

Secondly, DO NOT hit this horse on the head. The idea that he will 'think there is something up there that he hit and not do it again' is RIDICULOUS. Anyone ever seen a horse rear in a trailer and bust his head open? And then do it AGAIN AND AGAIN?

Not the correct response, here. Figure out why he's rearing and fix that.

Secondly, before you do serious work with your pony, have you thought about lessons? I would like to see you more secure in the tack--you can not train a horse without having proper position. It's like trying to teach someone how to throw a ball when you don't know how to do it yourself.

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post #54 of 71 Old 05-13-2010, 08:12 AM
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Gidji, going for a 'trot and pop' over a couple of cross rails hardly qualifies as jumping. There is barely any added stress on the pony from trotting over cross rails at that height. It will NOT cause damage to the pony unless the rider starts getting confident and cantering him over bigger rails ;)

Hitting him as hard as you can on the head? Wow. I just got an image of a kid flinging all her effort into belting to poor ****** on the noggin. Equinphile (can't remember how to spell your username off the top of my head sorry), don't state one thing (Whack him as hard as you can on the top of the head with your crop) and then when people start at you change your opinion (Oh I meant just tap him, I said hit in case someone just tapped lightly so it had no effect). You entirely went back on your original comment. If others had not pulled you up on that comment, the OP may well have gone off and bashed her pony as hard as she could over the head. Luckily the OP doesn't appear the be that idiotic.
I think you also asked a few pages back what an egg does? It gives them a shock into thinking they've broken their skull. However it's a matter of timing as maura siad a few posts back re- hitting him on the head with a crop.

To the OP. Do not ride your pony again until you get a saddle fitter to check your saddle. You sound like you are not aware that saddles need to be fitted for each and every horse, and then, particularly with young/green horses, you should have you saddle fitted every 6 months as the horse will be constantly changing muscle bulk. If you saddle is too wide for him, it may be pushing down onto his wither and putting undue pressure along his back, and if it is too narrow it will be pinching his muscles along his spine and shoulders. A VERY good excuse to rear.
When you get on, get on via a mounting block. Even if he is only little. Mounting blocks aren't just for helping you get on. They help to stop the saddle being dragged across the horse's back as you mount. Getting on from the ground means you will be putting excess pressure on one stirrup for an extended period of time compared to if you mount from a block, thus dragging the horse's muscles across his back. Again, VERY good excuse to rear! I get on every horse, whether 11hh or 17hh, with a mounting block, and if possible get someone to hold the opposite stirrup so there is as little movement across the horses back as possible. Also avoid 'clomping' down into the saddle. Sit slowly into the saddle rather than thumping into it.
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If anyone here seriously thinks those crossrails are going to damage this pony's legs, you guys are incredible. And I'd like some of the crazy lemonade you're drinking!

Secondly, DO NOT hit this horse on the head. The idea that he will 'think there is something up there that he hit and not do it again' is RIDICULOUS. Anyone ever seen a horse rear in a trailer and bust his head open? And then do it AGAIN AND AGAIN?

Not the correct response, here. Figure out why he's rearing and fix that.

Secondly, before you do serious work with your pony, have you thought about lessons? I would like to see you more secure in the tack--you can not train a horse without having proper position. It's like trying to teach someone how to throw a ball when you don't know how to do it yourself.
I have had heaps of lessons :) I haven't had a lesson in a while though. And i don't want to hit him on the head, thats just not right! Spider would hate me if i did that, and i wouldn't do it to any horse. I'm probably going to delete this thread because so many people are arguing over it. I'll just have to find out how to delete it.....
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Horseycloe - I'm glad you aren't going to whack Spider on the head. He seems like a really nice, sweet pony. I also don't think you're doing damage to him by hopping him over a couple of crossrails. Should you go much higher? No. He's young and needs to be eased into jumping, not thrown at higher and higher fences when he doesn't really know what he's doing.

If you could get a brush up lesson once in awhile I would definitely go for it. I've been riding for 23+ years and I'd LOVE to get back into lessons.

As for the mounting. If your saddle doesn't fit that great and you're mounting in the typical way it is VERY likely that you are wrenching his back as you mount. I'm he is using rearing to say "stop" (like you said previously about the scabs). I would use the mounting block and get your saddle fit. Hopefully that will fix your problem.

I really like your Spider by the way. Love to find a little one like that.
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Great post Kayty!

Agree with saddle fit advice and the mounting advice especially.
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post #58 of 71 Old 05-13-2010, 11:41 AM
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Agreed with Kayty completely, very well said, and horseycloe I hope you don't delete this post because there is lots to be learned here about the right and wrong way to do things. But please get that saddle checked.

Another pro mounting block point to make is that if you mount from the ground, and grab pommel and cantle, you can actually twist your tree in your saddle or something along those lines. It's not good for your saddle.

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Aha. Tom Thumb bit. I would bet dollars to donuts that's part of your problem. I will come back and type out a correct response when I have a full keyboard. I bet someone will beat me to it though.
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post #60 of 71 Old 05-13-2010, 12:03 PM
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I still remain behind my first post. What a poor pony. I watched that video, and from reading your posts, all I can say is ehh.

What a nice way to encourage a young rider and her young pony. What a positive attitude you have!
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