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post #31 of 44 Old 11-08-2008, 12:45 AM
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I ride Galina in something like this. I have always used it with her - it's what she was trained in and what she has been ridden in all her life, she responds well to it, so I see no reason to change. This type of bit helps the horse to seek an active contact, and gives a soft even pressure to the entire tongue area.

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post #32 of 44 Old 11-08-2008, 03:59 AM
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I ride in a rubber eggbut snaffle, but I am wondering if the rubber helps promote salivia? The bit looks like a happy mouth only it is black rubber.
I tried the happymouth looking french link one but he threw a fit for a month till I switched back, so I am just guessing that he likes it better. Anyone know why he would be such a fussbucket over what I hear is such a soft bitt?

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post #33 of 44 Old 11-08-2008, 05:24 AM
 
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Those happy mouths are soft- until the horse bites the plastic and creates sharp ridges that will cut his mouth. I had the same problem with a copper bit that quickly became covered in dips and ridges. I'm guessing your black bit is made of some kind of real rubber that will spring back instead of denting like that.
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I've used a couple on Gizmo. Just kind of transitioned through them as his training progressed. ;)
Order of go:
1. Reinsman® Light Ring 5/16-Inch Twisted Sweet Iron Snaffle - Smith Brothers Something similar, could be exact.
2. I can't find a picture but it's just a basic smooth D ring snaffle.
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post #35 of 44 Old 11-08-2008, 04:42 PM
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I'm not sre how your bits look, so I'l give a general answer:P
That particular bit doesn't fit your horses mouth. It can be too thick if his tunge is thick, he could dislike the taste or he finds the way it moves (I think it has more joints thanyour regular?) is weird and uncomfortable/confusing.
There's tons of things tht can make a generally soft bit fit poorly in a certain horses mouth, depending on how the horses mouth looks.
A frenchlink has a little more tendency to push the tounge back int the horses throat when you pull the reins, since it has more contact all over the tounge, than a one jointed bit )that instead turns into an A over the tounge and dont catch the middle of it, but might hit the palate if it's not rightfor that horses mouth)

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I ride in a rubber eggbut snaffle, but I am wondering if the rubber helps promote salivia? The bit looks like a happy mouth only it is black rubber.
I tried the happymouth looking french link one but he threw a fit for a month till I switched back, so I am just guessing that he likes it better. Anyone know why he would be such a fussbucket over what I hear is such a soft bitt?


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post #36 of 44 Old 11-08-2008, 10:26 PM
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I'm not sre how your bits look, so I'l give a general answer:P
That particular bit doesn't fit your horses mouth. It can be too thick if his tunge is thick, he could dislike the taste or he finds the way it moves (I think it has more joints thanyour regular?) is weird and uncomfortable/confusing.
There's tons of things tht can make a generally soft bit fit poorly in a certain horses mouth, depending on how the horses mouth looks.
A frenchlink has a little more tendency to push the tounge back int the horses throat when you pull the reins, since it has more contact all over the tounge, than a one jointed bit )that instead turns into an A over the tounge and dont catch the middle of it, but might hit the palate if it's not rightfor that horses mouth)
I find that Happy Mouth bits are actually thinner than a lot of the other bits out there... that and that they have smaller joints. Also, just like any piece of equipment, you do have to replace it if it gets worn badly.
Yes, they do have a different "feel" to them than a metal bit, and some horses don't like them.
I have to disagree that a french link pushes the tongue back in the throat - that is not true. The bit fits over the tongue and does NOT force the tongue back in the horse's throat. Yes, french links have more tongue pressure than your snaffles, but it doesn't shove the tongue backwards, it just acts on the tongue a little more.
In the September issue of Horse and Rider there was a study done about french links versus snaffles versus Sprenger versus Mylers... they found that horses tended to bury the single joint snaffles in the tongue to alleviate the pressure that the single joint was putting on the palate of the horse's mouth, thus they found the bit uncomfortable.
It is a really interesting read and just re-confirmed my belief in double-jointed bits being the best kind of bit for most horses.
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post #37 of 44 Old 11-09-2008, 12:20 AM
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Pretty much all bits (except curbs since the curbstrap keeps them from moving ''up'' towards the horses ears) push the tounge back if you pull the reins, more or less. With more toungepreassure, the bit has more to ''hold on to'' and thus push the tounge further.
Somehow that horse didn't like the french link, I'm just giving some reasons that might explain why. Many other horses prefers them, but this one didn't.

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I find that Happy Mouth bits are actually thinner than a lot of the other bits out there... that and that they have smaller joints. Also, just like any piece of equipment, you do have to replace it if it gets worn badly.
Yes, they do have a different "feel" to them than a metal bit, and some horses don't like them.
I have to disagree that a french link pushes the tongue back in the throat - that is not true. The bit fits over the tongue and does NOT force the tongue back in the horse's throat. Yes, french links have more tongue pressure than your snaffles, but it doesn't shove the tongue backwards, it just acts on the tongue a little more.
In the September issue of Horse and Rider there was a study done about french links versus snaffles versus Sprenger versus Mylers... they found that horses tended to bury the single joint snaffles in the tongue to alleviate the pressure that the single joint was putting on the palate of the horse's mouth, thus they found the bit uncomfortable.
It is a really interesting read and just re-confirmed my belief in double-jointed bits being the best kind of bit for most horses.


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post #38 of 44 Old 11-09-2008, 01:45 AM
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Pretty much all bits (except curbs since the curbstrap keeps them from moving ''up'' towards the horses ears) push the tounge back if you pull the reins, more or less. With more toungepreassure, the bit has more to ''hold on to'' and thus push the tounge further.
Somehow that horse didn't like the french link, I'm just giving some reasons that might explain why. Many other horses prefers them, but this one didn't.
I agree, there are varying degrees of tongue pressure, but they do not force the tongue back in the throat - the tongue is much too strong a muscle for a small piece of metal to do that - the horse can find a way under or over so the tongue is not stuffed down the throat.
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post #39 of 44 Old 11-09-2008, 02:53 AM
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Thank you both Zab and JDI for the great info.
But does my rubber bit help promote saliva? He does play with the bit while we are riding (jfyi we ride hunter jumper)and I understand that all bits can be harsh in the wrong hands. So just wondering if I am drying his mouth out or if this is a decantly good bit for decent but not great rider.
Thanks again.

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post #40 of 44 Old 11-09-2008, 02:58 AM
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To my knowledge, a rubber bit does neither promote nor deter saliva production. Only sweet iron bits may have that effect on some horses.


ETA - perhaps if the rubber is flavored, that might have something to do with saliva production? I know Happy Mouth bits are apple flavored...?
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