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post #1 of 25 Old 07-30-2009, 02:29 PM Thread Starter
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Smile What bit should I use?

I'm going to the tack shop in a couple of hours with some money to spend (for my birthday tomorrow!), and I was thinking about buying a new bit for my new horse. I rode her in a full cheek snaffle the first (and only) time I rode her. She was really pushy and kind of just pulled her way though commands to stop. She'd turn just fine but wouldn't stop. I think she needs some sort of bit with a nose band and curb chain. The girl I bought her from said she does well in a Hackamore, but I don't want to start such a young horse in a Hackamore. She's only three.... What do you recommend?

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A bit that needs a curb chain is a leverage bit (whether it has a broken mouthpiece or not and whether or not the tag on it says "snaffle") and is a one-handed bit. They can't be direct-reined without really doing a number on the horse's mouth and confusing it. A noseband isn't going to do much for you unless you're using a full or half cheek snaffle. If you ARE trying to neckrein and ride one-handed, then I would say "yes" you would probably need some kind of leverage bit. But the broken mouthpieces can get you into more trouble if you use them wrong. If you do get one, get one that has either a semi-fixed (only opens in and out) shank or a fixed shank (doesn't move at all) and one that has the curb chain attach right behind the mouthpiece (not above it). If you're still direct reining, she might like a Myler or Billy Allen or french link instead of a full cheek.

But honestly, if she's been doing well in a hackamore, there's no reason to change, really. Hackamores operate by leverage just like a shanked bit, except it obviously doesn't work on the horse's mouth. Hackamores/bosals are actually quite nice! and they're fantastic for starting young horses.
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Okay. I ride my current horse in a Hackamore, so it'd be quite simple to save money and just keep using it. :) I do plan on training Yazi to neck rein though, and Hackamores work pretty well for that in my experience. :)

Also, what are some opinions on a bit like this: http://www.jwcinc.net/1174886746/bits/251072.jpg ? There are a lot like this at my barn, and I always wondered pros and cons of using one and horse's reactions.

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post #4 of 25 Old 07-30-2009, 03:29 PM
 
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^^ Uh, ouch? This is how horses get ruined. It happens in the beginning.

First off, the twisted wire nutcracker action. OUCH.
No-no, not for a young greeny, and hopefully not for ANY horse.

Hard braided noseband: Most people go back over those with vetwrap. Gee, I wonder why? Because they cut into the horse's nose like wire.

Also, it's chock full of leverage. This is a barrel racing bit. Not for some poor innocent greeny, IMO.

Don't just sail straight to a severe bit without trying the least severe ones first.
If you need a curb, I'd advise this bit, but with a smaller port and loose curb chain: High Port Bits
Plenty of toungue relief, and the shanks are relatively short.
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post #5 of 25 Old 07-30-2009, 03:30 PM
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^^ Ooh, I would stay away from that bit, it has so many things that are way too harsh for what you need. Between the twisted wire snaffle, the gag bit, and the rope hackamore all in one, IMHO, that is too much for any horse. Especially a young one. I don't personally care for mechanical hackamores but if that is what you want to use, then just be careful and remember to be gentle. I would suggest that you go ahead and get a loose ring snaffle too (they are pretty cheap) and work with her to get her more responsive to the bit. If for no other reason, then for re-sale value in case you end up having to sell her someday. There are many people who will completely overlook a horse that only rides in one kind of headstall, i.e. "Horse does well in hackamore but pushy in the bit". Too many people will go directly to the next ad. Plus, if she were to be injured someday where you couldn't use the hack, you would still have the option of a bit to ride with.

I don't believe in covering up a training gap with a harsher bit. If she is young and doesn't really neck rein yet, then she needs to still be in some kind of ringed snaffle. For a curb bit, Sunny posted a great one but that should only be used on horses who neck rein well as it doesn't allow for one rein correction.

One thing you can do to get her more responsive to the bit for the stop is take her into a roundpen or some other small-ish area. Urge her into a long walk or a nice slow trot(if she has one). After about 4 or 5 strides, ask for a stop with seat and reins. Keep the pressure until she stops, then release. If she tries to push through the bit, then do a one-rein stop. It will take some work but the results will come and you will have a much more well-rounded horse. Once she starts to stop when you ask for it, just keep up at the jog and ask for the stop every few steps (remember to keep the reins light). She will start to anticipate the stop and that will help her cruise control too. Before you even realize it, she will be parking it at the first pressure on the bit.

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Sorry for the double post but after mine start to neck rein decently, I put them in a bit almost exactly like this. It has short shanks so it is not terribly harsh plus a nice port for tongue relief. And, it has the swivel shanks that let you make a one reined connection or a one rein stop if needed. But again, don't move up until she is wonderfully responsive in the snaffle.
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I would probably just ride her in a simple snaffle and do lots and lots of roundpen work on giving to the bit and bending and flexing. And since she's young she'll benefit from it.

If she's already pushing through the bit its not going to help to switch to a harsher bit since you'll end up with the same problem later.

So i just say work with her on giving to the bit and i can tell you it definatley benefits you and her when you want to start teaching her to neck rein.

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If she is young and doesn't really neck rein yet, then she needs to still be in some kind of ringed snaffle. For a curb bit, Sunny posted a great one but that should only be used on horses who neck rein well as it doesn't allow for one rein correction.
True, true. Probably should have mentioned that :P I would go with a pinchless d ring.
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post #9 of 25 Old 07-30-2009, 04:48 PM Thread Starter
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Just wanting to say that I'd NEVER use the bit that I put the link to on a young horse!! I don't want y'all getting the wrong assumptions. I was just wondering what it was. :)

Now, I do have a loose ring snaffle already as well. I haven't started working with her at all yet. I don't even plan on riding her for a while after I get her to my barn, so any tips are appreciated.

Thank you for the tips!

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It's okay, . I guess we just read your post wrong. I thought that you were considering getting that bit for her. LOL. All misunderstandings corrected.

I would go ahead and work with her in the loose ring that you have. You may be suprised how quickly she picks it up, Mustangs are very smart horses.
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