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post #11 of 25 Old 07-30-2009, 05:04 PM Thread Starter
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Okay. :) Sorry about that misunderstand. I'm not that cruel. ;)

I will work with her in the loose ring snaffle then, and just see how she does. When I first rode her, there were so many things wrong with how the people had her tack that I didn't know where to begin, but when I get her here, I'll do it my way. :) Also, I noticed that when the girl free lounged Yazi, after she was done lounging her, Yazi was hard to approach. It was almost like Yazi was afraid of her. Is there any way I can lounge and work with her without making her scared of me? I don't want to get her here and ruin our relationship right from the get-go. Especially since she's a Mustang. :(

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post #12 of 25 Old 07-30-2009, 05:42 PM
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I was having similar issues when I first got my mare. AFTER I trained her to neck rein I started using this with a very loose curb chain, it works wonderfully for her.

Reinsman Sharon Camarillo Tender Touch Bit - Horse.com

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post #13 of 25 Old 07-30-2009, 06:08 PM
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you could always do some type of join up when you free lunge her.

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post #14 of 25 Old 07-30-2009, 06:16 PM Thread Starter
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Join up?

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post #15 of 25 Old 07-30-2009, 07:51 PM
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That bit in your link is a gag. It has shanks on it, but the difference between the shanks on a gag and the shanks on a curb are that the shanks move up and down on a gag. You can see how you attach the reins on the bottom of the longer pieces. When you pull on the reins, they slip and slide through the ring by the mouthpiece.

A regular curb leverage shank should only tip about 45 degrees. That engages the chain and voila! there you go. On a gag, the shanks are actually supposed to tip 90 degree.

Gag bits are designed to pick up the horse's head, and for the rare occasion that proper training has not taught the horse not to run through the bit. Some horses, by profession, need them because running is what they do, so you'll see a lot of TBs in them. It works on the horse's mouth and lips. When you pull on the reins, the shanks slip through and engage the curb chain (which is set very high = increases the severity of leverage). Then the bit makes the same nutcracker motion on the mouth as a regular snaffle (with the addition of the chain squeezing his chin), and the noseband pulls his nose in. The thin mechanical noseband is supposed to hold the horse's head down while the shanks and chain make the horse pick his head up. So that bit makes him do both at the same time. Ouch. =(

That's quite a nasty bit with the noseband and the twisted wire. Gags are nasty to begin with as a general rule (unless you have a specific purpose for using one). I'll go out on a limb and say that people who would use a bit like that probably have no clue what they're doing (not said disrespectfully)** and if they're riding it in only 1 rein, they definitely don't know because you need to ride with a gag rein AND a snaffle rein...most of the time i only see people riding with one rein on a gag. =(

**(I only say that because considering the many advances in training and bits and bitting we've seen, there are MANY more gentle and less drastic bit and exercise alternatives to a bit like that.)

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post #16 of 25 Old 07-30-2009, 10:57 PM
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*Just a note, you can neck rein and ride one handed in a snaffle just fine. It may not have the finesse of a curb, but it still works :]

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post #17 of 25 Old 07-30-2009, 11:14 PM
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post #18 of 25 Old 07-30-2009, 11:21 PM
 
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Herm Sprenger KK Ultra aurigan full-cheek snaffle is what I'd use, one of the thicker ones if my hands weren't well trained and the horse's mouth accomodated it. I second the motion to spend a loooonnnng time on give to the bit and one-rein stops, with immediate release for compliance and lots of praise. When the gives and stops get good, then move on. More severe bits just plain hurt and breed resentment and eventually rebellion or dead response.
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post #19 of 25 Old 07-31-2009, 07:17 AM
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She's green, so you have to start with the gentlest possible one. If she'll get a bad experience with bit in very beginning it'll be a nightmare to deal with this issue later on. And frankly after doing some research I'm very much against mechanical hackamores.

Personally instead of loose ring I'd get eggbutt or D-rings, which don't move. Also I'd go with 3-link bit (french link or rollers). I personally started both my youngsters (and keep using) with this one (it also has some taste in it, which they both seem to like):

AlBaCon French Link Eggbutt Horse Bit - Dover Saddlery.

Some people go very good with the happy mouth (something like that):

Happy Mouth King Dee Pro French Link Bit - Dover Saddlery.

You can check eBay - I'm sure you can find something cheaper there. Both my horses didn't like Korsteel bit. Not sure whats the reason was, but....



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post #20 of 25 Old 07-31-2009, 11:39 AM Thread Starter
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Thanks everybody!! That join-up video was very interesting! :)

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