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post #11 of 38 Old 10-04-2009, 12:47 AM
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I understand completely. I just came back from a sale where most of the riding stock had tie-downs to keep their head down, training forks to make them break at the poll, twisted wire tom thumbs to make them stop, and super long shanked bits to handle them when they didn't have the training needed to get out of the round pen/arena, let alone in more than a snaffle.

I do use shanked bits (one of the mildest ones out there) only because it gives the cues more finesse when doing cattle work like roping. I can cue for a stop or turn with only using the slightest flick of the reins (I don't use my legs for standard turns).

My Dad always told me the key to getting a good horse was "not what you put in their mouth, but what you put in their head." I have been riding Dobe for a while in a rope halter and he nearly dumped me the other day because I asked for a slow stop and he skidded to a halt (left a nice sized set of 11's in the dirt too). That's what I get for working on it too much LOL.
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I understand using more when you are working. I wouldn't take mine on the trail without a bit and saddle, but that is just because you never know what will happen. If something jumps out it may take something harder to stop them, but like you were kind of saying it shouldn't be necessary ALL the time.
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post #13 of 38 Old 10-04-2009, 01:07 AM
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It's not that they are saying that tack isn't necessary. It is that many of the gadgets are unnecessary. IMHO, no horse should ever need to be ridden in anything like this but it is a gadget or a fix-all for a hot and hard to handle barrel horse.


And seriously? A chain nose mechanical hack?? What horse needs that?


Or this, a long shanked chain mouth gag bit??


And with the proper training, will a bit like this


really control a horse better than a bit like this?

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post #14 of 38 Old 10-04-2009, 01:09 AM
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wow I have never even seen bits like that. those are scary looking.
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Yeah, and those are not even the worst that I have seen. Some of those barrel horse combination bits are horrendous. I haven't been able to find a picture of one anywhere but I saw one on a horse once (I think it was custom made); a 1/8 inch twisted wire long shanked gag bit combo with a chain noseband. Talk about scary.
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wow. My step-dad's barrel racers don't have anything like that. They can run in a snaffle, adn they are only four and five year olds in training. Why would you puts something so severe on one? Ours turn on voice command and some contact, but I would think that much would cause them to throw their heads or stop instead of making a good turn around the barrel.
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My horses wouldn't deal with me if I tried to put most of those in their mouths, and I wouldn't let someone get near one of mine with a bit like that.
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post #18 of 38 Old 10-04-2009, 01:24 AM
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I ride my horse in "gadgets" because it more or less completes the look. We ride english, and her bridle is complete with a correctly adjusted noseband and flash, I can fit two fingers between the straps and her face. We also ride with a breast plate because her long back causes the saddle to slide, and it looks good. And I ride with spurs and occasionally a whip, not that she can't be ridden without them, but I usually ride with my calf and legs more than my heels, so she only gets spurred when she's being unusually obstinate about moving off my leg.

And like ThatNinjaHorse said, most gadgets, when used properly, help encourage a certain behavior, but they aren't supposed to be used forever, but rather to teach the horse something and then take it away. It's sad to see so much equipment abused, and especially sad to see the horses with all sorts of crap on them because "they need it".
I actually agree. I think the breast collars, and nose bands complete the look. (I don't use a nose band, but if used correctly, it is a very good tool to use.)

But I have seen so many cruel things ^ like what smrobs pointed out. I wish it wasn't so much in my sport, but it is. I only use a breast collar on Romeo adn a tender touch bit. I am actually trying to get him to go on a snaffle, but it is a work in progress.

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post #19 of 38 Old 10-04-2009, 05:32 AM Thread Starter
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OMG! Look at those bits! That's STUPID, any one who uses or makes those type of things, IMO should be shot! That's just cruel.

I ride in a bridle, with like one of the softest bits, a saddle, saddle cloth, & breast plate. And even sometimes I ride in a halter.
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post #20 of 38 Old 10-04-2009, 09:56 AM Thread Starter
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also... imho, if you don't have the time to get to the bottom of the problem/reason u need the gadget & fix it so you don't need it, then you don't have time for a horse. (hope that made sence, & wasn't to mean...)
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