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post #2231 of 2306 Old 05-26-2019, 08:34 AM
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I haven't been very active here recently, as I was simply too tired to write a coherent sentence
Work has been overwhelming the last couple weeks and me having to move in a new building next Friday (the whole Division moves) on top of everything doesn't make it easier There is soooo much to pack and sift through
In addition, my BO was on vacation for 2 weeks and I was responsible for the critters (5 horses including Raya and 4 dogs). How do y'all manage to do that on a daily basis? The horses were escaping the bugs and spent a good part of their day in the barn, generously donating stuff for the manure pile!
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post #2232 of 2306 Old 05-26-2019, 12:26 PM
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@SwissMiss , sorry so much work! I cannot imagine what it must be like to move a whole company.
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How do y'all manage to do that on a daily basis?
My thoughts exactly. I wouldn't be able to manage it, either!
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Maybe you should resort to speaking more English around her (with a really thick Boston accent )!
… or with a really thick German accent? It always sounds more imposing.

Raising bilingual children is interesting, because there is no "right" way or "wrong" way (how can there be?). Plus, the sum of 2 parents speaking 2 different languages raising 2 children in the same household does not always equal 2 completely bilingual children, does it?

When I was pregnant with my first, my sister gave me a book about raising bilingual children, written by a linguist. Her advice was that each parent should only speak to their children in their own native tongue, which is epecially important for discipline when they get older (you wouldn't want your teen laughing in your face as you try to reprimand them in a language that is not yours, using incorrect grammar/accent/expressions, etc). In addition, I feel it is very important for them to able to communicate with both sets of grandparents.

So, I started out speaking to first son in English only. I was also lucky enough to lower my work load and stay at home with him, so he did not even hear Spanish until Papá came home at 9pm. Between us, DH and I always speak Spanish, because that is the language we met in. But, my eldest spoke English first (there is a reason it is called the "mother tongue"), although when he did start speaking Spanish there was a noticeable deficit. But, as a toddler, he had little neighborhood friends who he would play with in Spanish, so he made progress before preschool (age 3). Then 2nd son came.

My youngest was a non-stop babbler. A cheerful, smiley, roly-poly baby who just loved to chatter. And he was a "mixer", meaning that he would mix English and Spanish in the same sentence, use English sentence structures with Spanish words, etc, etc. Basically, any word that crossed his mind was spat out, which made for some really hysterical speech patterns, and I always tried to write them down.

After the 2nd son, I noticed the difference language learning methods of each child:

Child 1 would stop, think, form the sentence, and then say it. He never mixed, he never said the wrong word, and he identified each person with one language. Of course, when he started school, by the time he formulated an answer in his head and raised his hand to answer the teacher, someone had already beat him to it. He was labelled the "quiet" one, but I know that he was the "cautious" one.

Child 2 didn't have a care in the world. Comprehension be damned! His favorite thing was playing ball, but, of course, when he met a new child or an adult, he did not know what language they spoke. So, he invented a new word, "ball-bola", so that EVERYONE he met could understand he wanted to play ball. By preschool, he had compartmentalized his brain, speaking English at home and Spanish at school.

My animals are in the same boat. Papá speaks to them in Spanish, I speak to them in English. Trufa the lab has a very limited vocabulary in each language, but our little mutt Cookie is smart as a tack and has a much larger vocabulary in both languages. Kai... well, he came from a German breeder and is now living in a bilingual home. We'll see how he does, but for now he's not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree.

Sorry, probably TMI.
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post #2233 of 2306 Old 05-26-2019, 02:07 PM
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@Spanish Rider I have had issues with several dogs that would act insane because they didn't understand English. There was a Mexican family that dropped of a dog and he was threatening everyone. I speak a very little amount of Spanish. I started talking to him using a little baby talk. He calmed down immediately. My colleagues started googling commands like "sit" and "hold still". It made all the difference in getting him taken care of and getting bitten.

As far as the young girl, I would talk to her boss. If she does it again, I would go into a fit of rage including profanity, but do it in English. She'll probably get the point.

My mom spoke Portuguese as her first language. Most of her life she lived in the USA, so she was proficient in English. She was also proficient in Spanish and spoke some German. When she got old and had to have caretakers, if she got mad at them, she would scream at them in Portuguese. They understood the general point.

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post #2234 of 2306 Old 05-26-2019, 02:46 PM
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My entire family was invited to a big party at my husband's cousin's house. There was lots of food and drink and music.

The main point of the party was to allow everyone to see how well his kids's band is doing. I was amazed.


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post #2235 of 2306 Old 05-27-2019, 04:41 AM
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@Celeste , did you pick up any Portuguese from your mom? There is a large Portuguese immigrant population where I grew up in metrowest Boston. In fact, the town next to us had the largest Portuguese population living outiside Portugal. They were mostly from the Azores.

I think it's kind of sad when immigrants arrive in the US and by the third generation their language has disappeared. At a Dunkin' Donuts a couple of summers ago, an older woman sitting next to us complemented DH and I for speaking to our kids in both languages. Apparently, her parents fled France during WWII and never spoke French to her because they wanted her to be accepted by American children. She said she remembers travelling to France later and not being able to speak with her grandparents or cousins, which is sad.

Cool band! Did they serve moonshine this time?

My former trainer's son gave my eldest son some guitar lessons, but then stopped because he had joined a band and had little time. The band has really taken off, and we saw them in concert twice last year. This is their latest and most popular song on the radio right now. It's in Spanish, of course, but the video is cute. It's a love song, called "5 Senses", and it's got a bit of Spanish guitar and folk clapping, which I like. Trainer's son is the skinny scruffy blond with dark sunglasses (hates cameras), and he is quite an accomplished horseman, too. He still has a guitar at my house.
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post #2236 of 2306 Old 05-27-2019, 07:19 AM
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@Spanish Rider That is great! Thanks for sharing.

I picked up very little Portuguese. What little I did learn, I don't know how to spell.

We spent my first five years in Mexico for a job my dad had. My parents did not bother to speak Spanish at home once we moved to the States, so I retained very little of it. Oddly enough, I can read it beautifully out loud. No Georgia accent. I just don't understand what I am reading. Weird, huh?

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post #2237 of 2306 Old 05-27-2019, 09:53 PM
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My youngest was a non-stop babbler. A cheerful, smiley, roly-poly baby who just loved to chatter. And he was a "mixer", meaning that he would mix English and Spanish in the same sentence, use English sentence structures with Spanish words, etc, etc. Basically, any word that crossed his mind was spat out, which made for some really hysterical speech patterns, and I always tried to write them down.
Ha, sounds very familiar! DS was very late with starting to speak, and is refusing to even try Swiss German. Since he is struggling with English too, we are not pushing him in that regard.
Fast-forward to DD, who is a veritable chatterbox. She picked up words in both languages without a problem and mixes-and-matches both languages depending on what just pops in her mind...
She is even practicing some extra Swiss German, as my parents do not speak English, so she can chat with them Imagine she would not be able to talk
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post #2238 of 2306 Old 05-28-2019, 10:38 AM
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@AnitaAnne Stitch is feeling much better now! We did 9 miles on Sunday and she was back to her old self! The rain skirt kept me nice and dry. I had a few issues with it not staying put on Chico's rump but I also had a rump rug on which I think was the problem.

@SueC The cats are a lot of trouble!

Hope everyone had a good Memorial Day Weekend (all of the US people at least!) DH was gone in Texas with his family so I was in charge of 7 dogs, 2 cats, 16 chickens, and 6 horses by myself which made for a lot of work. I did get some riding in at least so that was good!

Friday I made a little road trip to look at a trailer. We're thinking of trading in our 4 horse weekender for a 3 horse with a full LQ and there was a 2012 Bison for a great price at one of the WI dealers. I really liked it but I'm a little concerned it might have a roof leak so I haven't decided if I should ask them to check it out or just skip it.

Saturday I had a wedding for a coworker but I got up early and got to the park with Chico in time to do 6 miles. I was really proud of him despite being a little spooky at first he did really well for never having been ridden by me at the park alone. It was a little chilly but at least the park wasn't packed. I had to stop by my inlaws on the way home to feed one of their dogs (who fights with one of mine so he has to stay at their place) and brought Chico with me. A mom and kid rode by on their bicycles/tricycles and he neighed really loudly scaring the stuffing out of them!!! They couldn't see me from where I was standing so I had a good laugh.

Sunday was beautiful, 75 and sunny, and I had nothing to do but ride! I took Stitch to the park and we did both loops for a total of 9 miles. I was really proud of her she settled in quickly and was more than happy to help the park rangers with their lawn mowing needs. The park was packed, I had thought about bringing Chico back in the evening but when 2 additional 4-horse trailers pulled in as I was leaving I decided to spend the afternoon shoveling out the barn instead.

Monday it rained all day so I stayed inside and cleaned the house and hung out with the dogs.
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@Swiss, see? Your kiddos hae different methods for language acquisition, too! There really is no right or wrong, but as a philologist I prefer natural methods and I take a very stand-off approach.

When my youngest started talking, at age 20 months all the Christmas lights were out. He would point, and I would say, "Ooooh, lights. Pretty lights." He started to try himself, saying "ligh, ligh, ligh", but no "t". I let it go for several weeks, not wanting to correct him, thinking he would correct himself. But, he didn't. So, one day, when he said "ligh", I corrected him by emphasizing the "t", saying "ligh-T". After which, he started repeating "T-igh, T-igh, T-igh".

Poor kid. Dang near screwed him up for life. It's a wonder he made it to college!

@Queen , such pretty ear pics! And that pup! My youngest would be in love.


We've started a new thread, The HF Gardening Thread, in case anyone is interested: https://www.horseforum.com/general-o...thread-804313/


I had class today. Young girl was there (turns out, she's 19). Trainer got upset with her twice, so I kept my distance and had no contact. Had a fab ride on Presu - amazingly, his canter is improving as a result of the head-lowering work ("amazingly", because it was already fabulous, and he is 20).

Weather is upper 80's here already. Today, I weighed myself before and after going to the barn and had lost 4 lbs! Everything was soaked.
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Hey, everybody!! i’m Baaaacck!! I have written 5000 times on the chalkboard...”I will not do whatever it is I did again.”🤷🏻*♀️ I used my best cursive handwriting. 👏 Sat in the corner some, too. 🥴I am trying to catch up in between horses, chores and making hay!

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