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View Poll Results: What to do with the excess number of wild horses?
Open the gates and let the horses back out into the wild. 1 4.76%
Send the 'hard culled' wild horses and burros to Canada and Mexico for slaughter. 1 4.76%
Allow Americans to humane slaughter and provide local food banks with meat. 17 80.95%
Propose a detailed alternative solution. 3 14.29%
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Old 07-10-2019, 09:42 AM Thread Starter
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50,000 Wild Horses in pens & the BLM

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Yesterday I was naive (wishing, hoping) that there was another solution other than slaughter. Yes, it seems that America needs to acknowledge the reality, accept the consequences of our actions (and inactions) and construct a very rational and humane way to process as SilverMaple wrote: "we need a hard cull" and send the meat to food banks as bsms suggested.

Congress and BLM better fasten their seatbelts; it's going to be a bumpy day.
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Old 07-10-2019, 09:55 AM
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PETA i.e. The Humane Society of the USA (same organization with different arms) are getting stronger every day. They find converts (and deep pockets) among people who know nothing about animals, which has to be about 90% of US citizens right now, and appeal to sentiment. Their goal is to do away with all domestic animal ownership and also hunting and fishing (they soft-pedal this when fundraising). I am NOT exaggerating.

These people and those who think like them are the cause of the problem with US feral horse populations.

I have no optimism that rationality will win the day. I mean, when has it before?
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Old 07-10-2019, 11:24 AM
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PETA is not the same organization as the Humane Society. Further, from where I stand, PETA is much less influential than it was in the 90s. I don't know why everytime anyone raises concerns about animal welfare, people try to sort of change the subject by starting to blame PETA for everything. It's like... well, that's a really good analogy but it's very political so I shouldn't post it. The point is, rather than blaming a boogy man for making gullible people believe a certain way, it might be more helpful to treat those people as if their beliefs and feelings were real, and actually try to engage with them, even though some of them may seem unreasonable or uninformed. Ahem. Rant over.

I wish there were a good solution to this problem. But with lack of predators and horses reproducing so quickly, what else can you do but hard cull? At this point, there is no way you could get contraceptives to enough mares to make a difference. You need to cull first, THEN use contraceptives.

@WildAbtHorses one thing you don't mention is getting more people to adopt. I think a lot of people who care about this issue don't realize that there isn't that big of a market for these horses. There is much more supply than demand. Maybe YOU could adopt one of these horses, or raise some money and group adopt one. But before you do, find out how much it costs to KEEP a horse, and then you might understand part of the problem. Still, life in a pen, for an animal that was born free, must be absolutely terrible.

I supported closing the US slaughterhouses, but now what has happened is that they have been replaced by slaughterhouses in Mexico and Canada, so these poor horses have to first endure a terrible journey and then the slaughtering process. I would absolutely support culling the poor specimens, those who would never be adopted, and using the meat to feed poor people or other animals. The animals in the wild would have much better lives if they weren't starving themselves by over-grazing their habitat.
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Old 07-10-2019, 12:02 PM
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PETA i.e. The Humane Society of the USA (same organization with different arms) ..... Their goal is to do away with all domestic animal ownership and also hunting and fishing (they soft-pedal this when fundraising). I am NOT exaggerating.

Unfortunately this is the truth. And they are working really hard on not making it too obvious (otherwise they would lose a ton of support money).

@ACinATX the reason why PETA isn't that obvious anymore lies in the fact that they learned their lessons from the 90'ies and are using more subtle (not really sure that is the right word in that context) methods, aka lobbying. Don't underestimate PETA and the Humane Society: they are very powerful (aka LOTS of money) and they will do anything needed to reach their goal.
As ridiculous as the "freeing of the animal crackers" was, it shows the power PETA has and it is downright scary!
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Old 07-10-2019, 12:29 PM
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And we know that the Humane Society wants to do away with domestic animal ownership, how, exactly?

By all means enlighten me. I really mean it. I am an open-minded and independent thinker so I have no problem with my beliefs being challenged. Is there some actual proof to this? Like, reliable, verifiable proof?
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Old 07-10-2019, 12:41 PM
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Even though Wayne Pacelle stepped down from president of HSUS after sexual harassment allegations...

https://www.activistfacts.com/person...wayne-pacelle/

"Pacelle’s goal is to create “a National Rifle Association of the animal rights movement.” After Pacelle took the helm at HSUS in 2004, HSUS merged with two other animal rights groups: the Fund for Animals and the Doris Day Animal League. (Pacelle even mused when he was younger about a merger between HSUS and PETA.) HSUS also launched a lobbying arm called the Humane Society Legislative Fund and spawned the Humane Society “University.” Pacelle also sits on the board of Humane USA PAC."

Also the HSUS spends millions on ads and paying themselves but only 1% of the donations collected from their heart string pulling add go to shelters.

HSUS and the likes are animal RIGHTS activists not animal WELFARE activists.

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Old 07-10-2019, 12:50 PM
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Even though Wayne Pacelle stepped down from president of HSUS after sexual harassment allegations...

https://www.activistfacts.com/person...wayne-pacelle/[/I].
This website (activist facts), according to Wikipedia (not that I consider Wikipedia factually objective), is "is an American non-profit entity founded by Richard Berman that lobbies on behalf of the fast food, meat, alcohol and tobacco industries." So it's hardly objective. And any site can claim anything about anyone. I could create a website and write that "ACinATX is known to have contributed money to organizations that support allowing Martians to colonize the earth, and in fact has stated on numerous occasions that Martians would be better stewards of the earth than humans," but me saying it doesn't make it so.

Even at this apparently non-objecive website, I'm not seeing it stated that the Humane Society opposes pet ownership, or that the Humane Society and PETA are two parts of the same organization.

I'm honestly curious if anyone has actual evidence that the Humane Society opposes pet ownership.
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Old 07-10-2019, 01:08 PM Thread Starter
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4H and wild horse adoptions

There are 90,000 4H clubs (6.5 million members). So, if each adopted at least one wild horse... problem solved?
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Old 07-10-2019, 01:20 PM
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This website (activist facts), according to Wikipedia (not that I consider Wikipedia factually objective), is "is an American non-profit entity founded by Richard Berman that lobbies on behalf of the fast food, meat, alcohol and tobacco industries." So it's hardly objective. And any site can claim anything about anyone. I could create a website and write that "ACinATX is known to have contributed money to organizations that support allowing Martians to colonize the earth, and in fact has stated on numerous occasions that Martians would be better stewards of the earth than humans," but me saying it doesn't make it so.

Even at this apparently non-objecive website, I'm not seeing it stated that the Humane Society opposes pet ownership, or that the Humane Society and PETA are two parts of the same organization.

I'm honestly curious if anyone has actual evidence that the Humane Society opposes pet ownership.
I agree, I didn't post the link as facts but it gave a quick rundown of Wayne Pacelle's resume, sort of speak. I have read elsewhere, can't remember where, that he did want to merge HSUS with PETA. Why would want to so if their goals are not aligned?
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Old 07-10-2019, 01:24 PM
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There are 90,000 4H clubs (6.5 million members). So, if each adopted at least one wild horse... problem solved?
A feral horse probably isn't the best choice for a young child. And not all 4-H kid's parents can afford or have the facility to handle a mustang.
There are housing requirements for adopting that most people don't have.

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