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post #11 of 68 Old 12-06-2012, 12:56 PM Thread Starter
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Sorry face. There should have been a * followed by "face is perfect and therefore exempt from my ramblings*

Endiku, that's exactly what I'm talking about! A great example of what opening yourself up to ideas and improvement does. Can we get into that a bit further, what have you and the horses around you gained from that?
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post #12 of 68 Old 12-06-2012, 01:56 PM
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I just feel like saying amen! This should absolutely go for everything we do in life. I'm a graphic design major and have to say humility and an open mind are two great things I'm taking away from my education, among other things of course! They've helped me greatly with horses, my art, other people and doing business.
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post #13 of 68 Old 12-06-2012, 01:59 PM
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Great thoughts MHF!
All of the people on here are invaluable and know more about something than I do.
Same as in real life. We should all be in a constant state of learning.

In life and on here I think its best to give advice/input with a dose of honey. A little can go a long way...

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post #14 of 68 Old 12-06-2012, 02:05 PM
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It's threads like these that make me SO happy I'm on HF and that I'm friends with you and so many others.

There are days on here when we get some haughty, flip-my-hair-back-and-forth teens or even adults who just think they're all that and a bag of chips. They get mad because they get shut down by criticism pretty **** quickly here. I did when I first joined too. I live in a small area, been under the same trainer since the day I was born, in 2009 when I joined I was 14 and like most others, was pretty sure I knew everything. Got shut down instantly. Stayed. Several more years under that same trainer and here, and humility is the name of the game.

You can't be arrogant and work with horses. Arrogance gets you killed when half ton animals are involved.

Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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post #15 of 68 Old 12-06-2012, 02:53 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks Michaela. That's what I like about HF too (not my thread necessarily) but the rest of it. There are so many people here from different walks of life and different experiences that if we are open to it, there is much to be gained.

Life is like a camera. Focus on what's important, Capture the good times, Develop from the negatives and if things don't work out, Take another shot.
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post #16 of 68 Old 12-06-2012, 02:53 PM
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Faceman as our ELDER statesman we will exclude you from most of our restraints we place on other members. We know that it takes a lot longer for the geritol to kick in somedays and to recover from being senile. Gotcha.
We are all here to make friends talk about horses and learn new ways of doing things.
Hey I have been around horses since I was 6 and am now 53.
I am no expert and if I ever claim to be then you all have permission to come to Texas and have me committed to the nearest Mental Hospital.
Having an open mind does not mean you cannot state your opinion or question someone elses.
In fact a helathy debate and intelligent conversation requires differing views and opinions. Shalom
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post #17 of 68 Old 12-06-2012, 06:07 PM
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Oh goodness, where do I start?
As I said, I started out as 14 year old invinci-teenager with a need to flaunt my knowledge. At the time I was working as one of the 'lowly' volunteers, mucking, turning out horses, etc- but I was being allowed to (not smart on the part of the farm owner) work with their almost 2 year old miniature horse filly Sour, and I had been working for her for 1 1/2 years already. I wasn't necessarily ruining her, considering that she was actually just going to be put down before I began working with her, but I was using less than stellar methods with no care for my own safety. By the time that I found HF, I had already been bitten four or five times by her, and kicked twice. One of those times I was bruised to badly that my entire hip and thigh turned blue and purple.
So I came onto HF all high and mighty, flaunting my 'horse saving abilities' with Sour my monster horse. At that time she let me handle her...sort of. She still bit, still tried to kick if I wasn't careful, and lunged at other people. Oh yeah, I was one great horse trainer.
And Sour wasn't the end of it. In the town where we live, even though horses are everywher, no one really understands correct horse care or training. Lying a horse down was considered to be a method anyone can use, spurs, mechanical hackamores, unfitted saddles, and sweet feed were the norm. Even at our farm we had an assortment of bike-chain bits, tomb thumbs, MH, twisted snaffles, etc. And the worst part is that we used them. If your horse acted out, you just put something stronger on it. All of our horses were ridden in tie downs or martingales to keep their heads down.
So you can imagine everyone's reaction when I come bouncing in with my inadequate knowledge and horrifying assortment of equipment. I definitely got my butt whooped more than one time, and I put quite the fuss up more often than not. (Anyone remember my first thread about two mexican trained, ewe necked, head-cranked-to-chest stallions that I thought were worth their weight in gold? xD) But I couldn't possibly be wrong! EVERYONE in my town had horses like this.
Well eventually, I realized that maybe I was POSSIBLY wrong, and started reading. What I didnt find here, I went and researched. I called and talked to vets, employed the help of a wonderful trainer to help me with Sour-the-aweful, sent letters to experts, and bought books. Everyone, to their credit, was very gracious to me and helped me learn. After a while I aquired enough knowledge to start integrating some of what I was learning into our farm, by educating everyone.
Short story short, two years later I am proud to say that thanks to all of you and the few experts (true experts, not 'experts' xD) that helped me, there isn't a bag of sweet feed to be found on our property, our hay is high quality, all of our horses are in good flesh, and you won't find a single bike-chain bit, gag, twisted wire snaffle, or tomb thumb in our tack room. Our saddles more or less fit, they're wormed correctly, and I personally manage all of their nutritional healthy. Sour is now a very well behaved (though she's still Sour...haha)r old 4 y driving pony, and everyone loves her!
Ofcourse, like I said, I still know next to nothing compared to most of you, and there is a lot to be improved on our farm. Our farrier work is less than stellar (something I unfortunately cant control and they ignore me preaching about) but its a far cry from what it was, and I KNOW that our horses than the HF and all of its members xD
now just imagine if I stayed stuck in my ways? O_o I wouldnt have had to oportunity to help an entire stable do a 180 and it would have been all my fault!

Granted, a few members could have been more tactful in critisizing me, but hey. I'll take some blame for doing that on occasion as well!

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post #18 of 68 Old 12-06-2012, 06:25 PM
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^^Not only forums like this, but the internet in general have made things so much easier. Those of us that are old fogies didn't have an internet and had to learn the hard way. And when I decided to start breeding, it took me 6 months of steady hard work to research bloodlines and make trips to see the production of particular stallions and mares, before I could even begin assembling a suitable band of broodmares to accomplish my breeding goals. With the help of the internet, I could probably do the same thing today in just a couple of months. I think some people don't take advice too well and still make too many mistakes and spend too much time reinventing the wheel, but at least the resources are there, and I think even those that seem to resist advice from experienced people probably absorb more than they admit or more than it might appear...
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post #19 of 68 Old 12-06-2012, 06:25 PM
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Great post MHFQ!

Boy, did that ring true a couple of days ago! LOL

Rode with someone I had cowboyed for in the past and have a huge amount of respect for, hadn't seen him for a couple of years and he says..

"I can tell you have been riding by yourself too much, you need to go back to riding with someone better than you."

At first I was offended, then mad and hurt but the realization came that he was right.
I have a job interview with a trainer next week. Time to take some well needed criticism!

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post #20 of 68 Old 12-06-2012, 08:10 PM
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Great post, Mandy!

Originally Posted by MHFoundation Quarters View Post
Criticism - This is hands down the best way to learn. There is a big learning curve in all that is horses. There is NO perfect rider, NO perfect trainer, NO perfect method.
May I also add that it's true not just for the horse world..!

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