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post #51 of 68 Old 12-09-2012, 12:21 PM
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I don't know. I still say you have to make exceptions for someone trying to instruct...even when it comes to what would otherwise be taken as "belittling" statements and really "nasty" tones that can temporarily "stun" you. I know I have benefitted from it, greatly in some cases. Its like everything else, it depends on the situation, the rider, the horse, etc.,. For example, I have been on young very powerful and talented horses....I hesitated to "wake them up" b/c of my own fear of turning on the "turbo charged" switch on a youngster. I imagine a lot of people have been there, done that - although a lot of them won't admit it. I personally would have just kept feather footing along in a lot of cases unless someone made me "mad" enough to "get it on" ....and, they knew it. It is a form of "pushing". And, afterword I was always greatful. There is a place and a time for everything.

But, again, if anyone talked to me like that under any other circumstances, I would immediatly know which side of the tracks they were raised on, worry for my safety, and attempt to rid myself of their company. If they did it in conversation concerning horses...double ick.

There is just as much horse sense as ever, but the horses have most of it.
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post #52 of 68 Old 12-10-2012, 02:25 AM
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I think my trainer is a good example of getting the point across, motivating, and raising the intensity when she needs to but not insulting the student. I've grown up with her so I know she is just doing it to help you because she is the KINDEST woman on the face of the planet, but others who are new sometimes just hate her.

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Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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post #53 of 68 Old 12-10-2012, 02:36 AM
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Speaking of roping lessons, smrobs should add me on that list o.o Our rancher pattern this year has a lot of roping that I find very

Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.

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post #54 of 68 Old 12-10-2012, 02:20 PM
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Something also to keep in mind along these lines.

If you have done something one way for 50 years, and it has always worked, it does not mean it will work for someone else as well, or at all. You may have the "cross this line and die" attitude to you, and horses automatically respect you as leader, whereas another person may have the "oh please horsie, do what I ask because I love you" attitude, which will not get the same results you do.

It also may not work on a different breed of horse for that matter.

And it may be you have just never had a horse that was tougher minded than you come along.

Much of working with horses is mindset of the human.

Great thread.

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post #55 of 68 Old 12-10-2012, 05:34 PM
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LOL, guys, I'm not sure you'd want me teaching you how to rope...I'm not terribly good at it.

While you're here though, I bet Dad or Brother wouldn't mind giving some lessons/pointers.
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That works for me Jen. I'd love to ride with your dad. He sounds like one of the good old boys that has a wealth of knowledge I could pick his brain about.
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post #57 of 68 Old 12-10-2012, 09:26 PM
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Criticism is something that can be both good and bad, trust me I've had my fair share of both. But whether it is constructive or destructive depends greatly on how it is presented at the time. I believe that there are ways of presenting criticism that can make even the most awkward situation a lot easier, especially for the person being criticized. Calling someone an idiot because they do not share your level of knowledge is in no way, shape, or form constructive, but explaining what someone needs to work on to increase their knowledge, and if necessary showing them how, that is constructive. It just depends on how it is presented as to how it is taken.
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post #58 of 68 Old 03-03-2013, 01:55 AM
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Thank you very much OP, I agree.
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You're welcome!

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Great thread and some great posts!

Please allow me to let some of my pet peeves out for exercise in response!

In re: accepting criticism. If you post on an Internet forum, asking for a critique, you're going to get a *wide* variety of responses. Some will be well thought out and professional, essentially a free mini-clinic, some will be flat out wrong, some dangerous, some well meaning but no more knowledgable than the poster and some from completely outside your discipline. The value lies in sorting through them and figuring out what is valid and what works for you.

A lot of things influence my decision about whether to offer a critique - the first turn off is a subject line that says "Be kind!" or "Rip us apart!" if you're providing me with direction on how to critique before I look at the video or photo, I don't think this is going to end well. How 'bout I be honest and give you my professional opinion of both the good and the bad? Wouldn't that be more useful than either kindness or ripping?

If I read the thread and see that the OP is already responded defensively to other posters or is clearly only seeking "Attagirls!"' I stay away.

If the poster hasn't offered a decent photo or video, I don't bother.

If I offer a detailed critique, and the OP is argumentative, defensive or dismissive, I make a mental note to never offer critique to that person again.

BUT, if after the same detailed critique, the OP responds with "Can you explain more about that?" Or "Can you tell me what exactly you see that makes you say that?" Or "Can you tie that in to when my instructor says _________for me?" I know I have someone who genuinely wants to understand and improve and I will go out of my way to help them.

The very sad thing is that the defensive responses outnumber the appreciative and seeking to understand responses by a wide margin, which is why I critique less and less.

This is a multiple-discipline board, and that has its advantages and disadvantages - on the Hunter section, I always check myself before I respond and make sure the question is about USEF hunters, not breed show hunters, which I know little about. It's also always fun when someone asks a question about extended trot and 4 dressage riders post detailed (and technically correct) responses about how extension is developed out of collection and should not be attempted until a horse is working a certain way, never realizing theat the OP is not a dressage rider and is using their discipline's term for lengthened trot.

Don't even get me started on the threads about collection !!!!!!!

However, even in those cross-discipline train wrecks, there are often really great nuggets of training advice that are applicable to all disciplines if one is open to them. It's a shame if posters have the attitude that "I ride x discipline, and I really think those y discipline horses move funny, so that y discipline trainer can't possibly have any advice that would work for me." If you are open to other disciplines, and seek to understand the goals and merits of them, then you can take those training techniques and adapt them and have another tool for your toolbox in your discipline. In this way, dressage and galloping racehorses made me a better hunt seat rider and trainer.

Okay, rounding up my peeves and putting them back in the corral for the time being!
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