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post #61 of 68 Old 03-03-2013, 05:06 PM
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In re: accepting criticism. If you post on an Internet forum, asking for a critique, you're going to get a *wide* variety of responses. Some will be well thought out and professional, essentially a free mini-clinic, some will be flat out wrong, some dangerous, some well meaning but no more knowledgable than the poster and some from completely outside your discipline. The value lies in sorting through them and figuring out what is valid and what works for you.
Totally agree with this Maura. It also applies to being able to ride under different instructors and picking out what you want to take on with you in your riding career, and what you want to leave behind after that lesson.

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post #62 of 68 Old 03-03-2013, 06:50 PM
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It's posts like these that make me very much appreciate this forum and it's members. Thank you!

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post #63 of 68 Old 03-04-2013, 07:25 AM
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Please allow me to let some of my pet peeves out for exercise in response!
stealing that phrase for future abuse. Great substantive post!

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post #64 of 68 Old 04-19-2013, 07:50 PM
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Worth revisiting this thread from time to time. The advice never gets old.
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post #65 of 68 Old 04-20-2013, 07:47 AM
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How dare you bring logic into this..THIS IS THE GORE WEB after all.

























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post #66 of 68 Old 04-20-2013, 10:23 AM
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I agree that taking criticism and learning from it is a skill that is so valuable and is lacked in soo many people. I am always willing to learn from somebody more knowledgeable than myself, sometimes its hard to swallow that you are doing something wrong. There are certain times though that people just need to keep their 'advice' to themselves. I won't offer my advice if I am not aware of the whole situation, the horse and the person. If somebody asks me for advice I will try to get as much information as possible before giving an answer so that I can give accurate advice.
Those people that see somebody riding for 10 minutes and try to throw out advice about how said person is riding incorrectly or their horse is not moving correctly etc need to take a step back and try and see the whole picture. One example of this that sticks out in my mind is when I took a 3 year old that I was starting to an arena to ride. I decided to canter for his FIRST time, some lady that was in the arena proceeded to give me an hour long lecture about how my horse needs to be more collected and have his head down and I should try a tom thumb bit instead of a snaffle because obviously I have no control in a snaffle and on and on for an HOUR. Not once did she shut up long enough for me to tell her that this was his first time cantering under saddle ever and that he only had 10 rides on him.
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I agree that taking criticism and learning from it is a skill that is so valuable and is lacked in soo many people. I am always willing to learn from somebody more knowledgeable than myself, sometimes its hard to swallow that you are doing something wrong. There are certain times though that people just need to keep their 'advice' to themselves. I won't offer my advice if I am not aware of the whole situation, the horse and the person. If somebody asks me for advice I will try to get as much information as possible before giving an answer so that I can give accurate advice.
Those people that see somebody riding for 10 minutes and try to throw out advice about how said person is riding incorrectly or their horse is not moving correctly etc need to take a step back and try and see the whole picture. One example of this that sticks out in my mind is when I took a 3 year old that I was starting to an arena to ride. I decided to canter for his FIRST time, some lady that was in the arena proceeded to give me an hour long lecture about how my horse needs to be more collected and have his head down and I should try a tom thumb bit instead of a snaffle because obviously I have no control in a snaffle and on and on for an HOUR. Not once did she shut up long enough for me to tell her that this was his first time cantering under saddle ever and that he only had 10 rides on him.
I've met plenty of folks like that over the years too. I've gotten pretty good at tuning them out

I agree that sometimes advice is best kept to yourself if you don't take time to or couldn't have seen the whole picture. If the help/advice isn't wanted I won't/don't unless there is something that could clearly get horse or rider in trouble. In those cases, I couldn't walk away with a clean conscience knowing that I could have helped prevent horse or human from getting themselves or others hurt.

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I have a great example if this from my own career. Back in the mid 80s I went to work for an Arabian stud farm. This was a hard decision, since I was a hard core field and show hunter person, but I had just bought a house, and the appeal of a steady paycheck with worker's comp paid and taxes withheld as opposed to being an independent contractor won over discipline preference. Let me be clear - I REALLY didn't like Arabs!

But I figured I'd learn tons about breeding and repro work, foal out lots of mares and work closely with the vets, all of which I did.

Here's what I didn't expect - over my own resistence, I learned halter handling skills that I use to this day. There was a halter trainer in the barn who started working with the horses as weaklings and yearlings, and once I got over the "I hate Arabs" and "Halter is stupid, why don't they make the horses DO something" mantras in my head, it was fascinating to watch. Long before NH was a common term, I watched the halter trainer get the babies to focus completely on her, get them to weight a back foot by bringing her opposite shoulder forward, use body position and whip position to influence how the horse was standing. The whole process of teaching them to keep their weight on their hind feet but stretch forward with their head and neck was fascinating too, you know, besides that it was a stupid pose and stupid showing convention. Whip handling, and the concept of a "whip gate" was a whole sub speciality.

So the first thing I do with a horse that won't load is walk away from the trailer and spend a few minutes reinforcing this stuff, and then I can get them to load. And I call on this knowledge any time I stand a horse up for a photo, for the vet, or to make on of my horses stop leaning on the farrier without making the farrier drop the leg first.

All because I opened my mind to the radical concept that all good horseman have something to teach us about communicating with our horses, even if we don't want to practice their discipline.

**Apologies to all the Arabian lovers out there, the views expressed here are thirty years old and I promise I've evolved since then.
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