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post #21 of 49 Old 06-27-2013, 07:44 PM
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How hard was the hit? Your making it sound like the farrier really swung it out and nailed him in the gut. Or was it a quick firm "knock it off"? I guess its hard to tell someone the kind of hit it was, but that could have a lot to do with it. I'm not condoning hitting an animal with a hammer, but I've seen a farrier jab a horse with the flat side of a rasp. Not terribly hard, but the horse got the point quickly and stood still the rest of the time. Sometimes reprimanding a horse may look rough to someone who has limited experience with horses.

All and all I would say he shouldn't of acted like this WITHOUT knowing your horse. When you know a horse you can tell what kind of discipline they need. Some will be fine with a sharp verbal correction and others are not phased with hard punch in the mouth. All horses are different. I'd probably fire him because that seems over the top and something done out of anger, not with the best intentions of the horse in mind.
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post #22 of 49 Old 06-27-2013, 08:54 PM
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I don't think it's okay at all.

One bad experience with a farrier can really mess horses up about it, and farriers need to be aware of this.

I get that being a farrier is hard on the back and can be dangerous but so what? It's their job, it's what they've chosen to do and it's what they're paid to do. If they're not going to offer the service that the horse owner wants then they should just say no, and walk away. If the horse is acting in a way bad enough that they feel they have to hit it then they should refuse the job, and leave, or advise the owner to train their horse further. They're not trainers and there is no reason for them to be.

If the farrier is a horse person who can train I see no reason why they can't charge a higher "training" fee on horses who misbehave, and teach them properly.

Find a new farrier, but work with your horse too. Make sure you explain to the farrier the situation next time, and if it's too much for your horse to get it all done in one session book two sessions a couple days apart.

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post #23 of 49 Old 06-27-2013, 09:00 PM
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a farrier chooses to work in the industry,

so if a horse has issues that are being worked on, should that horse NOT be seen by a farrier and be lame, till he is able to stand to be trimmed


if you take your dog to the vet, and the dogs cranky, and nips the vet, should that vet have a right to pull a tool out and smack the dogs in the ribs?


if your child is sick and wasnt allowing the dr to check her or refusing to except a blood test, should that dr have a right to smack your child?

no
farrier works in the horse industry, and knows not all horses co-operate or can be having crappy day, at NO point does that farrier have a right to hit the horse esp with a object like a hammer

just like it gives us as horse owners NO right to hit a horse with a hard object that can cause death
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post #24 of 49 Old 06-27-2013, 09:26 PM
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excellent comparison. Horses are totally like dogs and children. I am done here:)
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post #25 of 49 Old 06-27-2013, 09:29 PM
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so that gives us a right to hit them with a hammer? because they are big animals?


but yet, alot of ppl rush to put rugs on them even tho they are big animals
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post #26 of 49 Old 06-27-2013, 09:36 PM
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I don't think the comparison works well, but the theory isn't totally out the window. YES it is an owners' responsibility to train the horses, but until a horse is trained to stand for a farrier they can't be neglected... and a farrier has to have a certain amount of patience with jiggy horses before they use excessive force. My farrier has full permission to give my horses a smack if they need it, but she knows them well. She owned MY horse since he was young, and has been trimming my other two for over two years. But if she ever, out of frustration, hit my horse more than once (in a row) with anything but her hand (even her hand, dependent on the case) she'd be out of there. Farriers need to know how to handle big animals and keep their cool, they don't need to be repeatedly hitting a horse with anything especially out of frustration.
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post #27 of 49 Old 06-27-2013, 09:41 PM
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when it comes to a 1000lb animal pushing into you- absolutely. Now don't get me wrong, I am NOT advocating a farrier flying off the handle and beating a horse, but a couple of wacks in the side with whatever they have in their hand at the time of infraction (especially if the horse is repeatedly being bad even after more subtle consequnces), I have no problem with.

Just because someone chooses to go into horse shoeing doesn't mean they should have to deal with a horse running into them.
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Peppersgirl, we're not talking about a whack for bad behaviour. We're talking about an impatient farrier who hit a horse repeatedly out of anger, as the OP has repeated. There's a big difference between that and what you're talking about.
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when it comes to a 1000lb animal pushing into you- absolutely. Now don't get me wrong, I am NOT advocating a farrier flying off the handle and beating a horse, but a couple of wacks in the side with whatever they have in their hand at the time of infraction (especially if the horse is repeatedly being bad even after more subtle consequnces), I have no problem with.

Just because someone chooses to go into horse shoeing doesn't mean they should have to deal with a horse running into them.
Idk what the market is like there but no farrier around here is begging for work. If your horse is naughty well to bad for you. They have other clients and its only a matter of time before they fill the spot. Working with a 1,000lb animal, nails, sharp tools and fire is dangerous for him and the horse. Your horses behavior is the owners problem, not his. He is here to shoe the horse, not train it!
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post #30 of 49 Old 06-27-2013, 09:49 PM
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i wasnt comparing the animals, i was comparing the jobs,

you should be able to rely and trust anyone that is carring for your animals

what isnt acceptable for small animals, shouldnt be acceptable in large animals


my point was totally missed LOL
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