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post #41 of 49 Old 06-29-2013, 01:34 AM
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I still fail to see how this was a correction at all. if a horse is jigging no amount of hitting will solve that. Moving the horse's feet would have corrected that more appropriatly IMOP.

Please explain who this works, as I hear it all the time.

It takes time to move a horses feet, and get them listening to you, when they should just have been listening in the first place. So a horse is bad, you would take him out and move him around a bit - for what amount of time, maybe 5 mins?
Then the horse is bad again so you take him out again and work him longer. Maybe 15 mins this time?

If so, are you willing to pay your farrier, double, triple, 10X his rate, as he is then late for every other customer he will have that day. And maybe lose some customers, as they were the last on the list of clients that day. So now he is 3 hours late - as moving a horses feet is the thing to do of the moment, so other clients will do that too.

If our farriers charged us for their loss of income if they are injured, or their loss of clients, or loss of faith, as clients are upset when they are so late - we'd be doomed. And I don't think we could afford that, but we expect our farriers to absorb that cost while we are farting around on a lunge line or in a round pen.

Sorry, I firmly disagree with this. A horse gets a whack, and they behave, it doesn't have to take all day, and all potential income from the guy trying to work with an ill mannered animal who could put him out of work for 6 weeks.

I've had farriers work with broken bones, obviously sore, as they can't afford that time off. And the horse owner with the lovely idea about how well horses should be treated while they are trying to hurt people - those owners are not paying for their time off work.

I have a busy life, and it is hard when I have a farrier scheduled for 2, he calls and says it will be 4, then again, it will be 6pm. Then he shows up at 7. I am sorry, I am busy, I can't block out my whole day because someone needs to move their horses feet. I have this convo all the time with my farrier, and he agrees, but says he would have no clients, as most of the horse world has been Parellified.
When in actual fact, a good whack, and the horse would stand. They don't need all this prissy stuff.

To me, it's not a question of firing the farrier, it would about pleading with him or her to come back.
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Alex, I don't think anyone is disagreeing about whacking for misbehaving while under them. The disagreement comes in the manner in which it is done. Do you want an angry farrier handling your horse? Do you honestly believe an angry farrier is concentrating on getting angles, toe and heels right? I do not believe a farrier can afford to be angry in their line of work as it transfers to the animal and makes them nervous. You can not expect every green horse owner to know exactly what to do with a horse to make sure it teaches manners in their horse. That is unrealistic in this world of everyone wanting a pony to grow up with the wee little one. This does not justify the farrier whaling on the horse thinking it will all of sudden stand still.
Have you ever seen the dominant horse whale on another horse and have that horse just stand there afterwards? I don't think so hun. They do their best to get away from the one doing the whaling..lol
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My Farrier will stop working with a horse if he can not get them done safely. There is a line between correction /control and getting emotional and hitting a horse. If my farrier was so cruel I would have asked him to leave.

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Rick, I think you are assuming that the farrier was angry. I will give my horse a good whack if he needs it, can't think of a time that I did that (since being a teen) when I was actually angry.

However to the types who would never hit a horse, I am sure they would think I was.
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People are assuming the farrier was angry because we were told the action was done out of anger...
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People are assuming the farrier was angry because we were told the action was done out of anger...

I am not sure I agree with that though. I think the OP has a problem with her horse being hit, and people who feel that way tend to think that it's done out of anger, when it often isn't.

There's three sides to every story right.
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I have no problem with my horse being hit, but repeatedly hit is a totally different story.

From my personal experience one hit is a correction, repeatedly hitting is anger.
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But as we have told many posters in the past, we can only go off of what we're given and I don't think this is the sort of situation in which we should make assumptions. What if the farrier did cross a line? Do we want OP to continue working with him and have another similar or worse situation? Not really. It's best to play it safe, especially as OP had described some issues the horse has, and suggest she work with her horse but also find a new farrier.
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Really, the bottom line is that you just need to get out and work with your horse. Once you get him where he will stand quietly for the farrier, then you can hire a farrier based on his skills.

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