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post #31 of 40 Old 08-02-2013, 08:40 PM
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I don't see anywhere that the plant was burned down.
All that was affected by the "very suspicious" blaze was the refrigeration unit of the plant.
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In mind, it's shameful if your entire source of income (or any for that matter) comes from killing horses for profit.

That's all I will say, because I know most everyone on here is pro-slaughter. But I can't believe you guys are defending the slaughter house people. I don't feel sorry for them.....at all! They are no friends of mine or my horses. As a matter of fact, I consider them the enemy of horses everywhere.

Yeah, I thought about it some more. Still no pitty.

I believe in humane euthanasia with dignity and respect. Not slaughter for profit.

Why are you feeling sorry for a business like that? And that's what it is.....a business. They are not a humane organization like some would have you believe. "Oh take the horses to slaughter so they don't starve to death." Rubbish!!! Maybe we should sponsor more vet students. They can heal as well as euthanize. Actually they would do a lot of good in the world.
I think it's shameful that you would judge someone trying to keep a job and support themselves. I certainly hope you're a vegan who uses only synthetic tack...
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I have a lot of former kids who work at a local chicken factory, as it's a hard job, killing chickens, staff will jump to another job when they can get one. No one really wants to do it. Many former foster kids work there, as it pays their bills. When they can get another job, they will, but for now, they are doing what they need to do to pay their bills.

If you eat chicken, then I think you would have nothing to say about this. Someone needs to do this work.
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post #34 of 40 Old 08-03-2013, 02:03 AM
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I'm not this kind of person, but really these are the people that make me want to strap them down to a chair, duct tape their mouths shut, and make forcefully shove down their throat what they are truly doing when the burn down these slaughterhouses.

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post #35 of 40 Old 08-03-2013, 08:35 AM
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A few years back, it came on good authority to me that, when a horse ends up in a slaughter plant "way down in Mexico":

1. They are injected with some sort of paralyzing drug. Meaning they are wide awake but can't move.

2. Their throats are then slit and slowly bleed to death.
Can you tell us what the "good authority" was? Another Animal rights Terrorist -- I mean activists spewing lies and rumors to sway the general public that is too stupid to look up fact and get the 'real' story?

If you are going to spew lies and misinformation, maybe you should look at its source and maybe you should explore why the AAEP (American Association of Equine Practitioners) and the AVMA (America Veterinary Medical Association) BOTH ENDORSE HUMANE HORSE SLAUGHTER!!! Representatives of both organizations along with USDA APHIS representatives have inspected both Belgian owned plants in Mexico and have issued reports as to how well-run they are and how humane the treatment of the horses is. Both are considered to be much better run than any of the old plants that were shut down in the US in 2007.

Here is a link to the article I read in the prestigious JAVMA Veterinary Journal. This is not 'hearsay' and is not propaganda like animal rights nuts spread and post -- it is facts gathered by professional Horse loving Veterinarians that have spent all of their lifetimes trying to make life better for horses.
https://www.avma.org/News/JAVMANews/Pages/090301h.aspx
Here is another documented article from the AAEP:
The Jurga Report: Horse Health Headlines
There are numerous other articles from reputable organizations also documenting that horses are well treated and humanely processed in both the Mexican and Canadian slaughter plants.

All of the big plants that US horses are shipped to are European owned and operate under the EU standards that dictate that every horse must be killed by 'captive bolt', treated humanely and must be tested for any medication residues. They send or keep inspectors at the plants that ship horse-meat to Europe.

So, once again, all the lies you spread and probably believe are just that -- lies, put forth by organizations with an agenda that includes terrorism and arson along with lying.

I did not start out supporting equine slaughter. I have never personally sent any horse I have owned any length of time at all to a sale where they went to slaughter. When their quality of life and usefulness has ended, we put a bullet in them in a far back pasture. I have 4 retired horses living out their years here now. I have kept many into their 30s. But, I absolutely see the necessity of it.

I will join the anti-slaughter band wagon when anyone can tell me what better end is waiting for the 100,000 + horses that go to Mexico or Canada every year. Rescues can take less than 1% of them. They are going to slaughter because they are 'unwanted' by anyone willing to feed and care for them.

Euthanasia is NOT an option for many horses. It is expensive and carcass disposal can be VERY expensive not to mention that the carcass is poisoned, and must be treated as 'hazardous waste'. If left unburied or unburned, it can poison predators and kill them. There are many documented cases of endangered birds like Condors and Bald Eagles dying from eating on chemically killed animal carcasses. Dogs and pets can also be killed if they get into an old carcass.

Any form of euthanasia is a terrible waste of good quality protein. Almost 20% of the World's population eats horse-meat. Who are we to tell the starving people of the World that we are justified in wasting thousands of tons of good meat every year.

These 'FACTS' along with the fact that horses are personal property, tell me that slaughter is the best possible solution. No one should have property seized or declared 'worthless' by anyone else unless they want to buy it or reimburse the owner for its value. If it has value at an auction, then that money should belong to the rightful owner. 'Just the facts please! Just the facts!'
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One thing that has never made sense to me is the fact that we are wasting so much perfectly good meat by just letting it rot in the back pasture when there are people all over the world (even in this country) who are starving. Even if there was absolutely no buyer market for horse meat, I'm quite certain that families below the poverty line here in the US or those little starving kids in Ethiopia wouldn't turn down a good meal of red meat just because it was considered a "pet" by someone else.

We, as Americans, are one of the most wasteful groups of people on the planet.
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Yes! Americans are very wasteful. But this slaughter issue always just comes back to the same old question:

What is 'your' plan for the 100,000 to 200,000 horses per year RIGHT NOW that are unwanted by anyone other than the slaughter buyers that are shipping them thousands of miles to a distant slaughter house?

How is this better than opening USDA inspected well-run processing plants right here in the United States. Not one of these animal rights activists that condemn us and other 'pro-slaughter' horsemen and horsewomen has EVER had an answer. I am waiting for an answer here again but do not expect one -- as usual.
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In mind, it's shameful if your entire source of income (or any for that matter) comes from killing horses for profit.

That's all I will say, because I know most everyone on here is pro-slaughter. But I can't believe you guys are defending the slaughter house people. I don't feel sorry for them.....at all! They are no friends of mine or my horses. As a matter of fact, I consider them the enemy of horses everywhere.

Yeah, I thought about it some more. Still no pitty.

I believe in humane euthanasia with dignity and respect. Not slaughter for profit.

Why are you feeling sorry for a business like that? And that's what it is.....a business. They are not a humane organization like some would have you believe. "Oh take the horses to slaughter so they don't starve to death." Rubbish!!! Maybe we should sponsor more vet students. They can heal as well as euthanize. Actually they would do a lot of good in the world.
How ridiculous.

Do you have endless pots of money and a large field to home all of these horses that end up in slaughter?

Are you a meat eater?

Use leather tack?

Horses are our companions, but they are also a food source in MANY countries. Just like cows, pigs and chickens are to us.

If I had the option of sending my horse to slaughter, whether it be for human or animal consumption I would. At least then I would know that right until the end my animal had use.

For the record, I have seen too many horses put to sleep by euthanasia. And too many of them crashed to the floor, and kicked around. Doesn't happen all the time, but give my horse a clean death any day.
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Yes! Americans are very wasteful. But this slaughter issue always just comes back to the same old question:

What is 'your' plan for the 100,000 to 200,000 horses per year RIGHT NOW that are unwanted by anyone other than the slaughter buyers that are shipping them thousands of miles to a distant slaughter house?

How is this better than opening USDA inspected well-run processing plants right here in the United States. Not one of these animal rights activists that condemn us and other 'pro-slaughter' horsemen and horsewomen has EVER had an answer. I am waiting for an answer here again but do not expect one -- as usual.
Bold part; how very true.

Now, I do feel for the horses that are sent to slaughter because of over breeding etc etc.

I don't have a nice field, or lots of money to take care of them however.

But for all the old, broken down horses.. who will shed out vet costs to try and prolong a life that doesn't need to be? I have seen people trying to 'rescue' a foal with legs so deformed its beyond imagination. But they think they can cure it with vet treatments.

Anyone who says otherwise is cruel and heartless.

Forbid we actually think about the animal's quality of life.
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In the past I took horses to the Red Lion Slaughter yard in the UK that was deservedly suspended for several issues including cruelty to the horses there. When I went all horses were treated very well but it only takes on bad person to destroy years of a good reputation - and what happened was captured on film so no denying it. At one time there was always someone independent there - such an RSPCA officer but they seemed to have dropped off doing it in favour of spying on hunting people
Just because things are looking good when there's an inspection team on site doesn't mean its always that way
I am very much in favour of having well run plants in the US because they would be correctly supervised and horse would be spared all that travel. Do I trust what goes on in Mexico - Not so much.
It would be ideal if everyone could euthanize horses at home or at a Vet centre but some people need to money to buy another horse if they one they have is too old or lame etc to be used (and not everyone can afford to keep a retired horse and for most people owning a horse is to be able to ride it) - and that could be saving that new useful horse from slaughter
It sounds hard but often you have to be financially realistic
I don't support the actions of the Humane Society in its entirety but I cant say that I felt that I was impressed with the treatment of some of the live the horses in this footage from a Mexican slaughter house - but once they're dead its really no matter what is done to the carcass
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