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post #1 of 30 Old 06-03-2010, 02:11 AM Thread Starter
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Backyard Breeders

Let me preface this with saying I have one good stallion that is going to be a fantastic gelding in a week or two.

Backyard Breeders (whatever that means) are not to blame for all the ills of the horse industry. Small breeders are not creating tremendously ill-conformed horses by the dozens just to sell them for $25 at the local auction. I have seen some incredible money earning horses come out of someones backyard. There is not a single thing wrong with breeding a registered horse that you like to a registered stallion that you like or crossbreeding to get a horse you like. There is nothing gaurenteed when you breed horses.

If you don't want to breed horses then don't breed them. Most people that breed thier favorite mare don't breed her every year. They also help support the horse industry with the purchases that they make for thier horses. Also I hate when people try to paint all BB's as ignorant horse abusers that breed with the intent of sending the fugly thing to slaughter.
In another thread a person mentioned thier psycho horse and then blamed the problem on backyard breeders. In the next sentence she said the horse had a severe case of untreated lyme disease. Sounds like the owner was neglectful not the breeder.

The reason the horse market is in the toilet is because there is no outlet for unwanted or unusable horses as a result of the government sticking its nose where it doesn't belong. It sickens me when I hear people saying that breeding should be regulated and euthanasia subsidized by the government. Those are MY tax dollars too. I want them to stay the hell out of my business and your business too. I would not support taxes on stallions or on bred mares or anything else.

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I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking along these lines.

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post #3 of 30 Old 06-03-2010, 02:20 AM
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I agree. People tend to jump to conclusions far to much on this topic.
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The reason the horse market is in the toilet is because there is no outlet for unwanted or unusable horses as a result of the government sticking its nose where it doesn't belong. It sickens me when I hear people saying that breeding should be regulated and euthanasia subsidized by the government. Those are MY tax dollars too. I want them to stay the hell out of my business and your business too. I would not support taxes on stallions or on bred mares or anything else.
This I totally agree with!


I do have a problem with back yard breeders tough. And that is not a term used to simply describe someone who has a nice mare who does research and breeds her to a nice stallion to make one baby and happens to keep their mare at home.
The term describes the idiots who breed crap in quantity because their stallion is a pretty color (who cares if he has genetic issues or his conformation is so horrible he is barely sound) who does not have the means to support the crap they make.

There is a HUGE difference.
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Unfortunately i do think the term "backyard breeder" is used interchangeably with "irresponsible breeder". you know, ignorant joe schmo who owns 40 horses he can't afford to feed through the winter and doesn't realize throwing his stallion out with his mostly mares is going to only increase his herd. or breeds horse b/c the babies are so darn 'cute' but doesn't touch the babies and isn't sure what to do when that feral 4 y/o is uncontrollable. or breeds his unproven conformationaly hideous stallion to anything with 4 legs because "it's a paint"... the list goes on. I don't think the breeders who are producing quality horses on a small scale should be lumped in the same category.

closing outlets for unwanted was a big BIG mistake. i don't think i know a single full time professional in the horse industry who supported it.
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How about the racing industry? They breed horses like no tomorrow, just because so and so's fathers' sisters' brother was a Kentucky Derby winner. Please. There are very few PRODUCING sires yet everyone thinks they can breed/train a racehorse.

On top of that, they begin racing them as two year olds while their bones are still growing and developing and people wonder why so many have serious physical complications by four or five. There are only so many homes that can take on a horse off the track with a host of health and behavioural problems.

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The reason the horse market is in the toilet is because there is no outlet for unwanted or unusable horses as a result of the government sticking its nose where it doesn't belong. It sickens me when I hear people saying that breeding should be regulated and euthanasia subsidized by the government. Those are MY tax dollars too. I want them to stay the hell out of my business and your business too. I would not support taxes on stallions or on bred mares or anything else.
I agree with you Kevin, although I wouldn't mind if someone opened a low-cost euthanasia clinic. Not a government subsidized clinic, but one where the vets donate their time and supplies, the way they do for the no or low-cost spaying and neutering clinics.

The term 'backyard breeder' has become synonymous with crappy, fugly animals, whether they're dogs, cats, horses, chinchillas, etc., which I think is unfortunate.

I've known several small breeders who produce lovely, conformationally correct, sound, sane animals. They also don't do more than one or two breedings a year, and some years they do none because of the economy and its effects on the buying public.

I consider people like that small breeders, not the pejorative 'backyard breeders'.

I intensely dislike when someone breeds for all the wrong reasons, because it stains the reputations of the truly serious, careful small breeders who know their market and when they should or shouldn't bring another creature into the world.
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Great post and great thread, Kevin. I *have* seen a trend to blame all the ills of the horse industry on backyard breeders, but have never seen the term defined. AND I also agree that "backyard" does not necessarily mean irresponsible.

Many small breeders spend a lot of time and effort selecting appropriate stallions, have buyers or homes for the animals they breed and produce good quality, marketable foals.

The racing industries (TB, STB and QH) contribute far more to the unwanted horses problem than BYBs. Halter bred horses of any breed run second, BYBs are a distant third.
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I agree with both Kevin and Sarahver. The race horse industry especially ruffles my feathers. So many non horse people get so excited when the big races come along, and haven't a clue as to how much waste is behind it all.
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How about the racing industry? They breed horses like no tomorrow, just because so and so's fathers' sisters' brother was a Kentucky Derby winner. Please. There are very few PRODUCING sires yet everyone thinks they can breed/train a racehorse.

On top of that, they begin racing them as two year olds while their bones are still growing and developing and people wonder why so many have serious physical complications by four or five. There are only so many homes that can take on a horse off the track with a host of health and behavioural problems.
Totally agree. It's not just racing though- look at all the futurities on the performance horse industry.

upnover-Also as far as byb's go don't forget Joe Shmo that has a purdy stud that charges a whopping $75 fee covering anything with a uterus. As you said... the list goes on.

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