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post #11 of 30 Old 06-03-2010, 11:53 AM
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In another thread a person mentioned thier psycho horse and then blamed the problem on backyard breeders. In the next sentence she said the horse had a severe case of untreated lyme disease. Sounds like the owner was neglectful not the breeder.
Yes, that is me. His name was Rebel. We got him off the farm that he was born and bred on. His owner was his breeder. We got several calls on this boy because he was terribly thin and covered in ticks...the neighbors thought he had only a few days. Im sorry if I offended you by calling him back yard bred when he was back yard bred and raised. He is a prime example of what we see these days. While I dont think that BYB's have singlehandedly put the horse market in the trash, I dont think they are helping. I dont think anyone breeds with high hopes that the horse will go to slaughter...but as you stated, breeding is unpredictable and you never know what you are going to get. A reputable breeder will narrow his chances for a good baby where as a backyard breeder, in my opinion, will breed recklessly for different reasons. The Devil is in your personal definintion. To me, someone who breeds a good quality, registered or not, mare to the same quality stud is not a backyard breeder. Maybe its my area, maybe im biased because of the rescue...either way its all opinion. The market here isn't too bad. A decent quality registered horse will go for $500 untrained and $1000-1500 basically trained. We still have 'high end' horses going for a pretty penny. But you can pick up half a dozen horses with questionable breeding for $200.

As far as regulation goes, I don't believe in that at all. I think if you want to breed horses, its your call. I am pro-slaughter because it offers all horses a way out other than starvation. The only reason I was mentioning a low cost euthenasia and gelding was strictly my biased opinion that it costs too much to dispose of a horse who needs put down. I think if it was legally acceptable (as it is not in my state) and reasonably affordable, we wouldnt be busting at the seams at the rescue. I think that the government has too much control over our lives to begin with, but i suppose that is a whole other topic.

It all comes back to responsible ownership. Im sure there are great BYBs who take care of their horses and dont over breed. Again, I am biased because I only see the worst. On the other side of the scale, the best horse I ever owned was a 'mutt' and I would give up every registered, well bred horse I have ever owned to have one just like him.


Sorry if in my previous post I got off topic...the rescue is my passion and I think of them all as case studies. Rebel was bred for no reason, abused for no reason and abandoned for no reason. Had he not been sick, he may have made someone a pretty nice horse.

Here he is a few days before the end.
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post #12 of 30 Old 06-03-2010, 11:59 AM
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Once again, I find myself in total agreement with you, Kevin.
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I agree with you Kevin, although I wouldn't mind if someone opened a low-cost euthanasia clinic.
There is one organization that offers low cost euthanasia... the NRA. If you don't want to pay a vet to kill your animal then shoot it. You can buy a cheap .22 rifle for $120 and if you learn a little about where to place the shot it is very quick.

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There is one organization that offers low cost euthanasia... the NRA. If you don't want to pay a vet to kill your animal then shoot it. You can buy a cheap .22 rifle for $120 and if you learn a little about where to place the shot it is very quick.
Yes, but then you have to pay someone to dispose of the body. Most of us do not have the option to just leave it in a field like you do.

In my area the rendering company will not pick up horses anymore, even if they were not given lethal injection.
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There is one organization that offers low cost euthanasia... the NRA. If you don't want to pay a vet to kill your animal then shoot it. You can buy a cheap .22 rifle for $120 and if you learn a little about where to place the shot it is very quick.
I'm not talking about for myself, I'm saying for people who don't have the option of shooting and burying their animals on their own property. I have that option, but we need to be realistic and realize that not everyone owns a gun, has the property, or is allowed to bury a large carcass.

Some places don't allow the burial of large animals, even if the owners have the property. What then? Their options are limited, and I think a low-cost euthanasia clinic would at least help to defray the cost of having the animal hauled away once it's been euthed.

I've already stated that I've had one done with chemical euthing, and the next I'd like to have done either by captive bolt or bullet. Dead is dead, no matter how the animal gets that way. I'm hardly squeamish about using a bullet.

You're out west Kevin, so you're not as heavily regulated as people in the east. There are plenty of places where it's illegal to bury a large carcass even if you have the land. There are also places that are 'protected', where you're not even allowed to build on your own land.

I made sure I didn't have any of those restrictions when I bought my property. Otherwise, I'd have been up a creek without a paddle when I had to have my gelding put down in 2007.
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Like everyone else has posted, its not really the manner of death that is all that pricey. We have a man who does it for us. If we had to have a vet, she charges $200. We have one rendering plant near us and they charge around $250. Sometimes they can't get there for days either. In my county, it is illegal to bury any animal, large or small. They are loosening up on this but it is still a fine and in the case of water supply being tainted, the horses body will have to be moved. Its costly...thats my only point.
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Yes, but then you have to pay someone to dispose of the body. Most of us do not have the option to just leave it in a field like you do.

In my area the rendering company will not pick up horses anymore, even if they were not given lethal injection.
So a bullet to the head and a call to the renderers solves the problem. If people insist on being ignorant of guns then they can face the consequences. You can't have everything.

Speedracer: I wasn't meaning you specifically as I know that you are a sensible person that can do things for yourself. The last horse I had die I just hauled to the landfill. If that is not allowed in certain places then the people in those places should change that.

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I agree with the OP. I am against back yard breeders. I will say that they are totally different than a small breeder though. Someone who is trying to keep the breeds standard is, in my eyes, not a BB. I have three very well bred mares that I will be breeding in the next year or so. I am VERY small but I have quality and am pairing them up with stallions that will complement there flaws. There is no perfect horse. You just have to breed smart. A large breeder once told me....you can have 10 horses that sells for $500 each or one horse that has been carefully bred and sell for $5000. The one horse is a lot easier to feed than the 10.

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So a bullet to the head and a call to the renderers solves the problem. If people insist on being ignorant of guns then they can face the consequences. You can't have everything.
I am in no way ignorant of guns and it gets annoying that you dissect every post I make just so you can be sure to disagree with me.

I have no issue with euthanasia via bullet. I personally think done properly it is more humane than lethal injection. I have actually made sure I know the proper way to do it if it is ever necessary.

But back to what I said, disposal is not cheap. Maybe you missed where I posted above but some places do not have rendering companies available to them. The rendering company here used to take horses but does not anymore. Landfill is not an option either. Burial is not legal (though many people do it).

You are left with just a couple of options, none of which are cheap. All which require paying someone to pick up the body and transport it some where else for disposal.

I personally plan to go with Composting when the time comes for my horse. No, it is not really legal where I live but .....
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So a bullet to the head and a call to the renderers solves the problem. If people insist on being ignorant of guns then they can face the consequences. You can't have everything.

Speedracer: I wasn't meaning you specifically as I know that you are a sensible person that can do things for yourself. The last horse I had die I just hauled to the landfill. If that is not allowed in certain places then the people in those places should change that.
Alwaysbehind already said that the rendering truck will NOT pick up in their area. How does that correlate to being ignorant of firearms?

If it's not allowed - people should change that? In the mean time - exactly what does a person do? Changing government takes a lot of time - if it can be done at all.
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