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post #1 of 18 Old 04-19-2019, 06:40 PM Thread Starter
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best horse set up for 1 acre rental, arizona

i have several 1, 1.25, 2.5, and a 20 acre horse properties in chino valley, az, 2 of the 1 acres have decent mobiles on them with garages. my plan is to put some horse stuff on them and rent them to horse people, i am guessing people who have 1 or 2 horses. so,,,,,

for one or two horses, what would be sufficient, 1 mare motel with enclosure?, do i need a circle arena? does anyone have a plan drawn up that works good for acre?

horse stuff is confusing, where is best place to get fences and mare motels in arizona. i was going to get the stuff new from this place in barstow?

anyone have thoughts one a decent rental price?

they are typical rectangular acres.

the 20 acre place i have is very well set up, 5 stall barn with tack room, 5 or 6 more motels with big enclosures, circle arena, and 2 large rectangular arenas. house is very nice. would also like input on rental price. the lady who had it before raised arabians, i think it could handle 10 or more horses.


also thought of letting someone with a horse but living in their rv stay there,,,, how is it possible to find horse oriented renter?

thanks for any help.
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Welcome to the Forum....

So, lets see...
Mobile with 1 acre of property...
Is that total land or is that 1 acre of land for just the horse{s}?

So, for your location, a mare motel with attached fenced enclosure.
No place of that size is going to allow grass growth and pasture grazing...it shall be a dirt lot with a roofed shelter.
A small riding ring could be the attached area to the mare motel/shelter.
Remember you need to allow for a storage area for food as that needs to be met as a dry area regardless of climate to store safely away from prying noses getting into trouble.
What are your zoning laws about manure removal since as property owner you can be held responsible for disposal of/when tenants move away.
I would not allow more than 2 horses maximum on anything smaller than 1.5 acres if you want to keep the house grounds separate from the horses...smells and stench can make a cute set-up not so nice in a hurry...beware.

2.5 acres is a little more room for all inhabitants but again, limit numbers of animals kept or it can really ruin the land in a hurry.
Again, appropriate fencing, adequate number of shelters for each animal and food storage is needed...
I prefer to keep my horses in their space and my dogs and us in our space...keeps my yard clean and nice not a dug up dirt bowl of messy smells.
Manure management again must be addressed.

If your 20 acre property is already set-up then it was setup with a maximum of animals the land could handle.
Basically, 10 horses on a 20 acre property with good sized and adequate human and horse accommodations...
I would not look to increase head of horses on the land and over-use it and easily ruin the ability it has to supply the needed space for horses to be stabled, to be out in paddocks, to be ridden...all at the same time.
It also has appropriate spaces allotted for tack and food storage needed.
I would not change any of a working farm that was successfully run but advertise it as a small facility for a trainer, a hobby breeder or small boarding environment for the discriminating horse owner.

Pricing is going to be what your area charges and receives in rents...all that is location specific, amenity specific to what is what you can charge and be paid.
I would not do or plan anything till you check the zoning laws for each location and make sure you, sounds like you recently acquired these lands, are permitted to do what you want and plan...
What could of been grandfathered for previous owner may no longer apply to you the new owner of said properties...
Know what you are allowed by law and what you must do as the landlord to be within the laws and more what is how you wish to known in the community as a landlord and property owner to deal with.
You might want to look for realtor offices that specialize in horse properties as rentals to see what they would do to offer assistance in you making your income properties be horse-friendly and then occupied by paying clientele.
A good realtor is a wealth of knowledge on the subject for you...and gets empty listings full and income producing.
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post #3 of 18 Old 04-19-2019, 08:47 PM Thread Starter
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thanks! what would you think for an approximate size for the attached enclosure to the mare motel? and is one mare motel enough for 2 horses.

i agree 2 horses is enough,,,i believe code is 2 hoofed animals per acre but i will check again.

i assume all fences are not created equal, what type do you prefer?
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Mare motel of 12'x24' should be fine if you can also separate the horses... if separated it = a 12'x12' box stall, plenty big enough for a average sized horse.

I don't know what kind of fencing is common in your area...
Depending upon the ground conditions might dictate what you plan on using and replacing/maintaining as landlord.
I prefer board fencing or if "wire" for horses it would be horse fencing 4' high with a continuous top-rail, 6' entry gate from house to barn area and another gate large enough to get in large equipment for grading and maintenance let alone a large backhoe in case of carcass removal needing done for a deceased animal.
That is where I would start.
I also would plan the layout for a manure retention/disposal area and storage food/tack area that will be needed for any resident who comes with livestock...all responsibility of the land owner in my eyes to making sure its provided on a land advertised as home with horse accommodation rental for which you can collect a substantial amount more revenue.
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Along with what advice @horselovinguy gave you, you need to look into your insurance costs when figuring your rent because you will need increased liability protection. The smaller the area for the horse the stronger you need the fence to be. When we visited the step daughter in Tucson, AZ most of the smaller horse properties used pipe fencing and besides the mare motel type of set up for shelter they also provided additional shade over the corral in the form of what looked like a screened tarp (I wasn't able to get up close and personal just a drive by view so maybe someone from the area knows what is actually used).

Good luck in your endeavor, I think it's a good idea if you can get all the logistics worked out. Around here places you can rent that has room for animals are scarcer than hen's teeth.

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Wire horse fencing should be OK. We're looking at moving to the Chino Valley area, maybe next year. I won't look at a place that isn't suitable for horses. Lots of places around Chino Valley are, which is part of the draw for me.

1 acre with a dry lot corral and a decent shelter (12 x 24 minimum for two, IMHO) will work. I'm sure there are pastured horses in Arizona. I just don't know any. As long as the land has access to somewhere else. Renting might be tough, though.
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Wire horse fencing should be OK. We're looking at moving to the Chino Valley area, maybe next year. I won't look at a place that isn't suitable for horses. Lots of places around Chino Valley are, which is part of the draw for me.

1 acre with a dry lot corral and a decent shelter (12 x 24 minimum for two, IMHO) will work. I'm sure there are pastured horses in Arizona. I just don't know any. As long as the land has access to somewhere else. Renting might be tough, though.
what is a dry lot corral? how big is it, is it circular?

and 12x24, does that mean with a roof? or only partially roofed?

when you say renting might be tough, do you mean as a landlord or as a renter finding something that works?
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An old picture, but one of the few that show my corral. Mia & I are standing in the corral discussing my daughter's equitation:



A little bit here, where it looks like Bandit had died after a stormy night:



My corral is L-shaped and each leg of the L is about 100' long. It is fine for two horses. I have three but it isn't optimum. My shelters south of Tucson are just 12x12 covered shades. It rarely snows here although it sure did this winter! The county requires engineering drawings of any shelter that is over 200 sq feet, but was OK with building two 12x12 shelters with a 2 inch gap between them. I've given up trying to reason with government officials! Depending on their mood, my horses may all stand under a 12x12 shade OR one will hog it and the other needs a different shelter. Horses aren't always big on sharing.

In Chino Valley, the winters are tougher and it is much flatter. I'd assume a horse would NEED a shelter with at least 1 side, maybe 2 or more. Horses handle cold fine, but not WET & cold!

Most of the people I know with horses are more interested in owning than renting. Places to rent with horse facilities of ANY kind are so rare here than I hadn't even thought about a rental! Chino Valley is pretty horse friendly so it may be different.

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An old picture, but one of the few that show my corral. Mia & I are standing in the corral discussing my daughter's equitation:



A little bit here, where it looks like Bandit had died after a stormy night:



My corral is L-shaped and each leg of the L is about 100' long. It is fine for two horses. I have three but it isn't optimum. My shelters south of Tucson are just 12x12 covered shades. It rarely snows here although it sure did this winter! The county requires engineering drawings of any shelter that is over 200 sq feet, but was OK with building two 12x12 shelters with a 2 inch gap between them. I've given up trying to reason with government officials! Depending on their mood, my horses may all stand under a 12x12 shade OR one will hog it and the other needs a different shelter. Horses aren't always big on sharing.

In Chino Valley, the winters are tougher and it is much flatter. I'd assume a horse would NEED a shelter with at least 1 side, maybe 2 or more. Horses handle cold fine, but not WET & cold!

t of the people I know with horses are more interested in owning than renting. Places to rent with horse facilities of ANY kind are so rare here than I hadn't even thought about a rental! Chino Valley is pretty horse friendly so it may be different.
ok, good idea on the sides. the horse set ups are all different around chino, some bare bones, some luxurious. i was going to do middle of the road. what do you think it would cost for a 1 horse set up, new, installed. i notice your panels have 7 horizontal rails, most of the panels i have looked at are 4 or 5 rail. is there an advantage to the 7 rail? i can't figure out how to pm on here. you seem to know your stuff, would you mind some stupider questions via email? my username at yahoo.com

thanks, kevin
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7 rail was available when I was buying. The rails are thinner but with thicker metal than most of what I could find today. Rail panels aren't cheap, but they are flexible. However, for renting...your renter may decide to pack them up and take them with them!

I'll try to send you an email later today. Need to go get stuff done for awhile.

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