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post #11 of 55 Old 06-16-2009, 01:12 PM
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In a one year period, the budget was reduced 10 million dollars. That's a lot of money. I think most people have no understanding of how budgets work. They see 27 million associated with a project and start thinking, well that's obviously enough to save all those horses and that isn't the case.

Right off the bat almost every budget has up to a 30% charge for overhead. Then you have salaries/benefits for all the people in the program, not just the lower lever people who are actually out there working with the horses, but the project managers and admins. Then you get a little more into the nitty gritty of the program with monthly expenses and finally you really down in the dirt with the actual cost of the adoption program, housing them running the auctions, promotion and everything in between.

You'll find that the 27 million gets eaten up extremely fast and often you go over budget.

As far as the birth control method, those guys do the same thing our Agency does when trying to figure these things out. You sit in a room and you throw out every single option on the table and you pick the most cost-effective. Often, it's not the most popular choice. We do this every single day only I'm working with fish instead of horses.

They are also dealing with outside forces. Lobbyists for ranchers and farmers which is where the extra land closures are coming from. Other agencies that don't want the horses competing with native wildlife. And you've got BLM standing there right in the middle trying to manage all these herds.

So it's easy for people to sit back and play armchair program admins, when they don't have any ideas of how these programs operate and move throughout the fiscal year.

I work for Fish and Wildlife and we are often on the other end of the spectrum with regard to public opinion. We have little money, little staff and we have to maintain our mission of stewards for fish and wildlife while providing public opportunity to recreate on those animals.

50% of the time the decisions we make, ****es the public off. And it's not something we go out of our way to do. It's sometimes very difficult to manage what you need to do with how much time/money you have to do it with. The BLM are in the same boat, just as any other government agency.

So, instead of complaining about the program, get out there and donate money, adopt a horse, work with the horses at the local centers and encourage everyone else around you to do so. I know that there are a lot of people that do this, but I will guarantee you there is a larger number of complainers out there that don't.
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post #12 of 55 Old 06-16-2009, 01:18 PM
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Well said, Solon.
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post #13 of 55 Old 06-16-2009, 02:19 PM
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It makes me sad because I do love mustangs but in reality, what other option is there. There are so many mustangs running free that the limited grazing land is being grazed to death. There are so many in the holding pens that it is hard to get enough funding to provide proper feed and care for all of them. There are not enough successful adoptions to keep the numbers down so the only options are euthanize, spay the mares and geld the studs, or allow all of them to slowly starve. They are trying very hard to find homes for them but it is just not working. Near where I live, there is an adoption day scheduled and they are offering a $500 "incentive" to adopt a horse 4 years or older to help pay for feed and care during the initial ownership. With so many "good" horses out there, nobody wants a crappy mustang and too many people see them as that, just a crappy mustang. I would go take several if I didn't already have too many horses to use.

I agree 100%. I love mustangs just as much as anybody, I think they are great horses. But what other option?

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If anyone wants to know more about the mustang and what they are capable of as an owned horse, I would encourage you to google Extreme Mustang Makeover and look at some of the competitions. In fact I bet you can youtube some of the videos. They are amazing horses.
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I don't think anyone on here is going to argue that Mustangs make great horses. The thing is that they are not marketable horses to the general public.
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post #16 of 55 Old 06-16-2009, 10:47 PM
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I don't think anyone on here is going to argue that Mustangs don't make great horses*
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post #18 of 55 Old 06-17-2009, 01:38 AM
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They aren't completely erradicating them, correct? There are still going to be wild/feral horses out there right? They are just going to be culled and managed. The poor horses are the ones who are just sitting in pens.

I really wish eating horsemeat wasn't taboo in this country. We cull deer every year, through our hunting seasons. As a person who has hit and killed a deer with her car, I am very thankful for these hunting seasons. That was a horrific way to die, that poor doe. It makes me incredibly sad to think about it. Much more traumatic than being shot. Made me see firsthand that there are more terrible ways to die than a bullet.

If these people who say poor horses would just open up their wide open grassy pastures for a truckload or two of these poor horses, and then fund their feeding, gelding and training until they find suitable homes for them, then the problem would be lessened....wait, where are the wide open grassy pastures. Not everyone has those? Our wide open pastures of our farm have a limit of 10 horses including foals before they become unhealthy and over grazed. And it takes a lot of work and less horses to remedy that.
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post #19 of 55 Old 06-17-2009, 03:52 AM
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I don't know about the US but in the UK the wild ponies are culled every year . The Dartmoor and Exmoor ponies are rounded up after the yearlings have been weaned and the unwanted yearlings are taken for slaughter. This has been going on for years, the herd numbers are kept in check and the yearlings that are either not good examples of the breeds or have genetic defects are taken.

There is not much public outcry about this either because the public dosen't know - or dosen't want to know.

If the herds were not culled their numbers would be un-manageable by now and a large cull would be needed - this would cause the outcry from the public.

I would think that what is needed is a selective cull / breeding programme so that their numbers are kept in check, at the same time making sure that the best examples of the breeds are allowed to roam free.

What is not needed is for their numbers to be reduced without thought as to which horses are taken - or for their numbers to be reduced so much that a sustainable herd is not viable.

Many times I hear a public outcry about such things, yet when the public is asked for the dollars to pay for an alternative solution their hands stay in their pockets.

I do not agree with the wholsale slaughter of anything - but realise that something has to be done, for the benefit of the herd if nothing else.
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post #20 of 55 Old 06-17-2009, 10:35 AM
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This has been very well said everyone. And I think one of the biggest problem with the management of Mustang problem is people who are unedacuted in range management. The ideas of culling, range handling ability, inbreeding are seen as cruel and not needs, any breeder of any species of livestock would tell you otherwise. I think at times a rancher who be the best one to head up the BLM's mustang program.

The mustangs are unmarketable due to the extra work and time needed to make them into great horse for people to use. This too can be worked on, some prisons start training mustang as part of there rehabilitation programs.

A good cowboy always has a better horse at the end of the ride, a poor cowboy will be afoot reguardless of the horse.

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