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View Poll Results: Should Wild Mares be Darted?
With PZP Contraceptive 2 66.67%
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post #51 of 82 Old 07-11-2019, 01:40 PM
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What did they say cost per horse is currently?
I'm just going to go off memory for one instance, you could look at the text recording and check it for more detail.
They said it was about $1.25 to keep them in the pasture holding per horse per day (these are the pastures in OK where they have some 30k horses over the age of 11.)
I had to go give my guy his antibiotics this morning so I missed part while I was driving through the dead zone, though I'm sure they discussed costs of corral horses, range horses, and then I caught the tail end going over the fertility drug costs and production.
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post #52 of 82 Old 07-11-2019, 02:01 PM
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Little snippet on the costs of fertility control. Please not this is only for PZP administered by darting.

"It says we're paying $512 a dose.
>> No -- so -- so for PZP22, it's right about $500. For PZP, it's right about $30. You need two doses, so for every animal, is about 60. So if we jump to the slide there, the $512, that includes all of the costs related to darting them as well. "

I can't find the text from before that where they went over the costs of the animals in holding, I guess I had my computer closed!

Then they go into talking about the costs and how they can changed based on other factors, eg sage grouse. How some facilities are not full year round but still require full time staff and how that could lead to differences in the holding costs, just to name a few.
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post #53 of 82 Old 07-11-2019, 02:08 PM
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Hi pasomountain.

Who is talking about:
1. Mass killing.
2. Hunting season for horses.
3. Sport killing.
4. Rounding up all the wild horses.

I have not heard or read that anyone is suggesting any of the above. What I have read about is reasonable, sustainable, and humane processing of a small percentage of these animals for meat for local food banks.

From yesterday's BLM Board Meeting, there were a lot of organizations talking about the great work they are doing on increasing adoptions. The future looks very promising for the majority of wild horses in America.

As for the "97.8 percent are livestock" and "the federal government spends at least $144 million each year managing private livestock grazing on federal public lands" this is all new to me and has me outraged.

Thanks for sharing. Important information.
Apparently you're not reading all the posts then. Here's one about a proposed hunt--
But in truth? A 30-06 is a more humane killer than a cougar, and we can control how many hunters are allowed year by year. We have managed deer, elk and antelope for a LONG time with hunting permits. I don't see why horses are too special to be managed like any other form of wildlife. If they are WILD horses, lets manage them like WILD life.
I completely agree. A couple years ago a tribe in the southwest somewhere advertised they were going to sell horse tags as the rez horses outnumbered the feed available. Caused a big uproar from the public of course.
I saw it on FB and soon the posts were deleted. Whether they decided not to go through with the hunt or the kept it on the down low, hard to say. I can't remember where and when to do much research on the outcome.

Others have mentioned "hard culling" or killing all the horses with undesirable traits which would end up being thousands which equals mass killing.

I mentioned sport killing because it could turn into that if hunting was legalized and also I've seen in the news where wild horses have already been found shot dead.

I realize nobody is going to round up all the wild ones but that is the only way the Cattleman's Assoc. would be satisfied.

Food banks would have to lie about what kind of meat it is to get most people to eat it. Zoo's would take it to feed their predator's.

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post #54 of 82 Old 07-11-2019, 02:12 PM Thread Starter
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Article from 2018 on

The BLM report noted that there now are 83,000 wild horses and burros on a range that it says can adequately sustain no more than 26,715 such animals. In addition there are another 46,000 unadapted animals being warehoused in pens and holding pastures. The cost of maintaining those no-longer wild horses and burros drains 60 percent of the agency’s current $81 million annual budget for handling the animals.

https://sparkstrib.com/2018/05/05/bl...horse-options/

2018
60 % of $81,000,000 annual budge = $48,600,000
46,000 horses divided by 48,600,000 = $1,057/each
~$3.00 per day per horse, which doesn’t sound like a lot
BUT if the range can only hold 26,715 and they're 83,000 out there means 57,715 still need to be put into holding pens? Add another $61,004,755

2019
Additional 4,000 horses x $1,057 = $4,228,000 increase

$48,600,000 + $4,228,000 = $52,828,000
141,000,000 American tax payers = .38 cents per year per tax payer

(with the additional $61,004,755 + $52,828,000 = $113,832,755 means .81 cents per year per tax payer) sound very cheap...
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post #55 of 82 Old 07-11-2019, 02:25 PM
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It seems like the board is now getting into the wording of their decisions.

They have said that they want to provide training in evaluating conformation or genetic defects to volunteers. They are also talking about sterilizing the horses with defects and turning them back out to the herd. They have to go over the justification process for euthanizing them, which includes club foot. They said that they don't think this is being done because some people are turning out the colored horses because that's what they think the people want. They are trying to review and recommend new guidance jurisdictions to remedy this situation.
These are some of the best ideas yet. I was just thinking last night why not geld all the males with defects and apply birth control to the females then re-release them. This should be done to all the horses currently doomed to a life in the holding pens. There is plenty of public grazing land to support letting them all go after sterilization. Obviously this would apply to all future round ups as well so eventually the herd levels would drop and stabilize--no need the euth any of them really unless they were in pain and suffering.

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Thanks pasomountain. I appreciate you helping understand this situation.

I am totally against HUNTING or SPORT KILLING of any animal and especially wild horses and burros.

I do not know what 30-06 means, but I did assume it involved shooting, but I thought that was in jest. My bad.

I am VERY happy to pay more in taxes to make sure the horses that are in holding pens are well taken care of.

I am not opposed to ethically and humanely processing a small amount of wild horse and burro to help fund the wild horse and burro adoption process. What does the BLM do with the animals they euthanize? Do they waste the meat or sell it or give it away?

I am not fond of "cattleman assoc" in general and that their cattle are grazing on Government property. I am mainly a vegan, and if I eat any form of meat, including chickens and chicken's eggs, they have to have had a happy life. e.g., I try to consume only animals that have had a happy life... until their humane demise.

If Americans, including those hungry, do not or will not eat horse meat than any butchered horses should be sold to zoos. I am okay with that.
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They are back after lunch, doing their little talk about BLM idaho specifically, then my understanding is that in a little bit here they will be open to a public comment period.

Or looks like it might be starting now.
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post #58 of 82 Old 07-11-2019, 06:22 PM Thread Starter
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Link to New Post: Wild Horses vs. Livestock

Wild Horses & Burros Vs. Private Dometic Live Stock on Public Lands
https://www.horseforum.com/horse-for...post1970742895

50,000 Wild Horses and Burros in Holding Pens:
https://www.horseforum.com/horse-tal...ns-blm-805581/

PZP Contraceptive and GnRH Sterilization:
https://www.horseforum.com/horse-tal...-idaho-805555/
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post #59 of 82 Old 07-11-2019, 08:30 PM
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Ok bsms...

Personally, I also find importance is being explicit when talking with the numbers, 20 is not 7.25, is not 12, clearly they don't know...
For fiscal year 2018:

Beginning inventory = 81,951
Ending inventory = 88,090

The current estimated on-range wild horse and burro population (as of March 1, 2019) is 87,885, a 7.25 percent increase over the 2018 estimate of 81,951.

That gives a 7.25% increase on the range at the end of the year. But 11,472 were removed, so the total population increase was 17,611. With a beginning inventory of 81,951, that was an increase in population of 21.5% in one year. Had the BM done nothing, the end year number on the range would have been 99,701.

Hard numbers. My guess of 20% was an underestimate.

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@pasomountain . The National Cattleman's Association is NOT in favor of exterminating the feral horses.

Ranchers like seeing them. We don't mind feeding them when they come on our private property. Just like we don't mind feeding and watering all the deer, elk, antelope, birds, rodents, and amphibians.

But we want sensible management that benefits all species.

Not every rancher that uses govt leases belongs to the cattlemen association. Some raise sheep. . But y'all should appreciate the work they do improving conditions for wildlife.

How many acres of riparian ground have you improved? How many acres of forage have you removed the noxious weeds from? How many roads and paths that have begun eroding into streams from recreational users have you and your friends recovered?

You're welcome.
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