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post #41 of 45 Old 01-28-2010, 03:07 AM
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Another slaughter thread? Hooray.

Anyways, I don't really see a point in butchering horses when we already have other animals to use. We would waste much less time and effort if we stick with what we have (pig, cattle etc) rather than starting up more horse slaughter. At a certain level, slaughter does bother me, especially when I see people throwing out meat into the trash every day every where. Therefore, I do not like to see it happen unless it is necessary or otherwise important. Wanting a new meat on the market is not a legitimate reason to start up a horse slaughter program. America is already eating too much meat anyways. Honestly? I probably wouldn't mind eating slaughter-raised people either if that was more efficient/beneficial than another animal (I thought Soylent Green was an ingenious fictional invention for a time when we had nothing else left on the world to eat) What would make our suffering any greater than another species'?

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You're right on that front too, Roro.
It's overbreeding and lazy, wasteful people that also give meat production a bad name. The amount of waste coming from our homes, grocery stores, and restaurants is probably enough food to feed Haiti for monthes. And the number of animals slaughtered that don't even get used in our country or exported to others is ridiculous, too.
But I'd rather see the horses that are lefted neglected, homeless, and unrescued used for something, instead of suffering and waiting to die. Then again, I'd rather see those animals not produced at all in the first place!

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I'm certain that if many of the 'anti-slaughter' people where raised a different culture, they would eat horse meat just the same as any other :) In some cultures, cows are holy and cannot be eaten, just as in our culture, horses are an important figure and eating them is just out of the question for the average person.
A big problem, in my opinion, is the captive-bolt gun slaughter method. Animals do kick and move, even though they are completely and utterly dead in the captive-bolt gun method. To a lot of people, this gives the impression the the animal is still alive when it's really not. The kicking and movement is just muscle spasms, the last of the bodies electrical impulses. The brain itself is pretty much mush. All the important stuff, the areas that make us think/feel/breath/etc. are destroyed and whats left behind has about as much feeling as a lump of coal, to be honest about it.

I completely agree with kevinshorses's post. These horses live a pretty much natural life then one day, poof! Lights out before they know what even knew what happened.
Honestly, I think people should instead of advocating for NO-SLAUGHTER-OF-ANYTHING-WHAT-SO-EVER-BECAUSE-THEY-HAVE-FEELINGS-TOO!. Should advocate for THE BETTER TREATMENT OF SLAUGHTER ANIMALS. Think of cattle feed lots, pig farms, chicken farms. These animals are crammed into a utterly unnatural lifestyle for the sake of profit. It's not that they are raised to be eaten that is wrong, it's the way they are raised to be eaten that is wrong.
I'm not saying that every cow should have an acre of lush pasture to roam, or that every pig should have is personal mud puddle to roll in. But the way that these animals are literally crammed into what is already the bare minimum space is wrong. Cut a few dollars out of the yearly profit by cutting back on the amount of animals per square foot. You end up with less disease, mental problems (that can lead to human or other animal injury), and better meat.

I'm honestly not offended that people raise horses for human consumption-granted, these horses better be well cared for.
I breed, raise, slaughter, and butcher my own rabbits for dinner. My stock is given ample space, fresh water 24/7, and good food. They are kept in a heated and cooled shed. During the summer I take the time out of my day to let the romp in the yard and graze in predator-safe pens, which encourages good mental health. They are killed instantly and humanely. The result is delicious, fresh, quality meat.
At the same time I have a pet bunny named Bananas. Banana's has an adorable personality, loves to cuddle and was hand raised. The difference between Banana's and the other rabbits is that Banana's is a pet, the others are livestock. Same breed, same species, same everything. I couldn't kill Banana's if my life depended on it, but at the same time I will happily eat her sire with a side of mashed potatoes.

I would rather amputate my foot than eat Loki, but if you gave me a young horse and told me to turn it into steaks, I would. Theres a MASSIVE difference between a companion and pet and livestock. A companion brings me joy but an empty stomach, livestock bring me a full stomach and no emotional gain.

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Animals do kick and move, even though they are completely and utterly dead in the captive-bolt gun method.
Actually they kick and move and appear to breath with just about any method.
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Honestly, I think people should instead of advocating for NO-SLAUGHTER-OF-ANYTHING-WHAT-SO-EVER-BECAUSE-THEY-HAVE-FEELINGS-TOO!. Should advocate for THE BETTER TREATMENT OF SLAUGHTER ANIMALS. Think of cattle feed lots, pig farms, chicken farms. These animals are crammed into a utterly unnatural lifestyle for the sake of profit. It's not that they are raised to be eaten that is wrong, it's the way they are raised to be eaten that is wrong.


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I agree with most of your post but this part. Cattle on feedlots and pigs in grow operations still live a pretty good life. If they are not kept healthy and happy they will not do as well. All livestock is raised for profit by someone (even horses) and genneraly the profit and the welfare of the animal compliment each other. Pigs roll in mud to cool themselves off because they can't sweat like a horse or pant like a dog. They are kept clean for health purposes and to keep them clean they need to be cool so most pig barns are very well regulated temperature wise and kept extremely clean.

If animals were not raised in confinement operations like this there would not be any sense arguing about eating meat or not because none of us could afford it. There simply is no other way to finish cattle or pigs in the numbers needed to feed our country and others.

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