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post #21 of 72 Old 06-19-2013, 07:22 PM Thread Starter
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Originally Posted by alexischristina View Post
I don't find horses for human consumption 'repulsive and unacceptable'. Posted via Mobile Device
Nobody is trying to say you can't eat what you like. Eat horse meat if you like it.

ER does NOT agree that horses should be alive and conscious while being vivisected - that is cruel and barbaric. ER supports veterinarians, celebrities and others who stand up for the horses with a humane veterinarian-assisted euthanasia if a horse's life must end which is the only universally accepted view on humane horse euthanasia.
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post #22 of 72 Old 06-19-2013, 07:29 PM Thread Starter
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Originally Posted by alexischristina View Post
Thank you, Joe. Being on this forum has exposed me to the horse market across the border
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Over 70% of horses slaughtered in Canada are from the States. Will send you the stats from Agri Canada if you want them.
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The bolded part is so far off base it's not even funny. They do NOT aim the captive bolt(which IS an approved, HUMANE method of euthanasia) at the FACE. There is a proper spot to kill a horse with a gun or captive bolt, and most of the people hit it right on the mark. There are some misses, of course. But the suffering is ended quickly. They are also not hung alive, once an animal(or human, for that matter)is brain dead all following bodily functions(any "breathing", attempting to "whinny", leg movements, etc.) are all nerve reflexes. The animal is DEAD. It cannot feel any pain, emotional or physical.

I am ALL for humane slaughter. After the animal is gone, the body is just a shell. Might as well use what we can from it and not WASTE like we humans are so apt to do.
Oh, so all the veterinarians, celebrities and everyone is WRONG. Get real.
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Originally Posted by kassierae View Post
It is not a blade. It is a metal rod. The instant it pierces the brain the animal is dead. No ifs, ands or buts about. If they were chemically euthed there would be nothing we could do with the bodies. You can't even legally bury them, the chemicals will seep into the water table. Why not USE the remains for something useful? If they're on the truck, they were probably not very wanted anyway. Sure some bleeding hearts will say all horses are wanted, but there simply are not enough homes. So why not do something useful with them, instead of having them rot in a landfill?
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USA bans horse slaughter.
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post #25 of 72 Old 06-19-2013, 07:48 PM Thread Starter
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Originally Posted by alexischristina View Post
You can't look at one documentary and create a base for judgement. People making these documentaries find the worst of the worst. Posted via Mobile Device
How many have documentaries, horse slaughter house footage have you looked at? You seem to find the best of the best. Eating horse meat, putting down keeping horses alive and wanting them for dinner (riding and then dinner?) , putting down veterinarians who totally disagree with your opinions (who is the smarter now )?

Eat horse meat if you like but please get some facts straight before you embarrass the rest of us Canadians who statistically do NOT support eating horse meat.

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I think you're embarrassing yourself here, c99. Thank you for taking the first post you quoted out of context, for one. And I think you'll find that there are MANY Canadian horse owners who are for the humane slaughter of horses (slaughter, not euthanasia) including many people on this forum.

Are you poking fun at my intelligence? That's not a very nice basis for your argument...
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post #27 of 72 Old 06-19-2013, 08:57 PM
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USA did not ban horse slaughter. The FDA stopped funding it.


Taken directly from the AVMA Guidelines for Euthanasia:

When euthanasia is the preferred option, the technique employed should
result in rapid loss of consciousness followed by cardiac or respiratory arrest and, ultimately, a loss of brain
function. In addition, animal handling and the euthanasia technique should minimize distress experienced by the animal prior to loss of consciousness. The POE recognized that complete absence of pain and distress cannot always be achieved.

Physical methods that destroy or render nonfunctional the brain regions responsible for cortical integration (eg, gunshot, captive bolt, cerebral electrocution,
blunt force trauma, maceration) produce instantaneous
unconsciousness. When physical methods directly
destroy the brain, signs of unconsciousness include
immediate collapse and a several-second period of tetanic spasm, followed by slow hind limb movements of increasing frequency in cattle; however, there is
species variability in this response. The corneal reflex will be absent. Signs of effective electrocution are loss of righting reflex, loss of eyeblink and moving object
tracking, extension of the limbs, opisthotonos, downward rotation of the eyeballs, and tonic spasm changing to clonic spasm, with eventual muscle flaccidity.

Euthanizing agents cause death by three basic
mechanisms: (1) direct depression of neurons necessary for life function, (2) hypoxia, and (3) physical disruption of brain activity.

Physical disruption of brain activity can be produced through a blow to the skull resulting in concussive stunning; through direct destruction of the brain with a captive bolt, bullet, or pithing rod; or through depolarization of brain neurons following electrocution. Death quickly follows when the midbrain centers controlling respiration and cardiac activity fail. Convulsions and exaggerated muscle activity can follow loss of consciousness. Physical disruption methods are often followed by exsanguination. These methods are inexpensive, humane, and painless if performed properly,
and leave no drug residues in the animalís remains .
Furthermore, animals presumably experience less fear
and anxiety with methods that require little preparatory
I urge you to do a little more research on the matter.

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post #28 of 72 Old 06-19-2013, 09:18 PM
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I don't think c99 has seen a bad euthanasia either. Horses paddle, they cry, they throw their heads back and it is all around just not a nice thing to watch. I see it all the time when an animal is so sick that the euthanasia process is dragged out because their heart cannot pump blood to their brain quickly. It is. way easier to throw a bolt gun into their head and kill the poor thing that way, rather then it slowly go unconscious. Bolt guns kill the same way a 22 bullet does going into the brain. Instant, just bolt guns are a lot safer.

Ya, Natural Valley was set up as a cattle killing facility. No, things weren't set up great for horses, but knowing the management (one was known for making businesses go belly up) they would of tried to put the least amount of dollars in converting it. For what they had to work with I know the staff did their best to make it as humane as possible. Don't try telling me the staff did not care how it was done, I know they did and I will vouch for them as I knew a good portion of them long before that plant ever existed. I am hoping now that it is in the process of reopening that they make a go of it. All american investors this time, and sounds like they know how to run the show
And it was a good thing for our little town(s).

You think cattle don't get missed? Or stand in that killing chute for a few minutes? They do, lots. I know stories and have participated in crap that has gone seriously wrong, nobody's fault just how it played out. When 8 out of 9 cows drop from a 22 bullet to the brain, you assume the 9th one will. But doesn't happen always.

I am all for horse slaughter. Had an old neighbor that raised meat horses, I see zero problem with it. They are raised like feedlot cattle and know nothing else.And frankly, a lot of guys out here still keep 10 -15 mares around cause they like em. So they breed em and sell the foals for meat, pays for some feed for the mares come winter. Someone's 29 yr old pet that has given them everything and then they dump them at slaughter is a terrible thing, but burying a horse isn't always possible, at least they will get killed humanely and not suffer and starve. Someone dumping a baby with strangles or a yearling with a broken leg, well I have to restrain myself from not kicking the seller in the head.
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c99 -- did you not get enough of this debate with your first post?
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post #30 of 72 Old 06-19-2013, 10:39 PM
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I'm for humane slaughter.
And a lot of places in the US ship up to canada, specifically quebec. I don't like what I see in documentaries, but what I dislike the most is how they show some employees can be. There was one where a horse neighed when it was zapped in the head, and the person who zapped him said "I love you too."
Also, with euthanasia, I know a lot of times the bodies are then used for dog and cat food, and they don't let any of it go to waste

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