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post #11 of 98 Old 03-05-2013, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by gunslinger View Post
I think the common ground for most of us is we all find it difficult to help the lazy and those who don't want to help themselves.
I think it would be more accurate to say that we shouldn't have to help someone who refuses to work and that we don't want to but are forced to.

This is not the same as someone trying to find work or who is working but is not earning enough. I personally am not a fan of handout programs that don't require work. No one should just collect money if they're not working. I'm more ok with a supplement to an existing income but not a flat out handout.
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post #12 of 98 Old 03-05-2013, 10:39 AM
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I agree, and don't forget those who have waaaayyy tooo many kids to take care of just because they can get the govt to do it!!! It's insane!!! And i think the rules and regulations should be revised or completely's madness!!
I know someone who has five or six kids, all of whom are mentally and/or physically handicapped. I asked her once why she had so many kids (they're all her biological children, all from different dads) if she didn't have a job to support them. She *bragged* that she could get more in government assistance because her kids are handicapped (SSI, food stamps, cash assistance, Medicaide, etc) than she could ever make working, so she didn't see a reason not to have as many as possible. I felt physically sick after that conversation.

Then you have people like me who work their butt of at a minimum wage job (full time), drive a $900 '83 Thunderbird with more problems than not, and oftentimes go without so that they can afford to pursue their passion (horses). I do not take out any type of government assistance (not even food stamps, even though I know I qualify). To say it isn't fair is a gross understatement.
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post #13 of 98 Old 03-05-2013, 10:43 AM
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I don't have a problem if someone has recently lost their job or ended up on disability and are trying to stay afloat and keep their horse they had before they fell on hard times in hope of "making it through" until things get better.

But I do have a problem with someone who has no job, on welfare, can't afford basics for their kids, etc and they are out buying MORE horses.

All I pay my psychiatrist is cost of feed and hay, and he'll listen to me any day!

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post #14 of 98 Old 03-05-2013, 10:44 AM
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In NZ I saw the baby pushers too, 6 kids, all different fathers, go to Work and Income on your hand out day, collect your check, cash it and walk half a block to KFC and the's sick!
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post #15 of 98 Old 03-05-2013, 10:51 AM
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*off topic* Muppet - any pics of NZ horse country? Watched the amazing race last night and that was where they headed, I sat here and drooled over the landscape.
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post #16 of 98 Old 03-05-2013, 10:55 AM
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Yes, the problem is with the system. It's hard to get a hand up until you've lost everything.

The country is changing...or rather...has changed...

There seems to be lots of takers.....and like Rush said, you can't beat Santa Clause.

Have we finally got to the point where we'll self destruct? How long can we sustain spending more as a country than we collect?

So....I don't find fault with the person that draws the entitlement.....fix the darn system.

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post #17 of 98 Old 03-05-2013, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by gunslinger View Post
So....I don't find fault with the person that draws the entitlement.
I do if they're not willing to work instead of taking a handout the rest of their lives that those like me who actually DO work are paying. Welfare was originally intended to give people a hand UP, not be a forever handout for the lazy and self-entitled dregs of society.

I think if you don't WANT to work, then you should starve. Period. If there's nothing wrong with you physically or mentally other than you're a lazy piece of garbage, it shouldn't be up to those who actually work to fund your lifestyle.

You want the truth? You can't HANDLE the truth!

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post #18 of 98 Old 03-05-2013, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by MHFoundation Quarters View Post
*off topic* Muppet - any pics of NZ horse country? Watched the amazing race last night and that was where they headed, I sat here and drooled over the landscape.
Haha off topic! Yeah we'll I post from my iPad and haven't figured out how to post pics! One day when I'm feeling extra techy I will fire up the old PC and learn!! I tried photobucket but they have decided that they'd like to own my photos if I use thier photo site!! Grrrr!
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post #19 of 98 Old 03-05-2013, 11:05 AM
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I so wanted to be president of this crazy country just to enact one of many things I would like to see done.
If you apply for state assistance and I DO NOT mean unemployment, then you will be subjected to ramdom drug testing as well as all people 13 years and older living in your house.

I worked for 9 years in an adolescent program and I can not tell you how many of those kids parents were on welfare and doing or dealing drugs. That was one of the main reason these troubled kids came to live for a year at the program.

It sickens me to see these ladies with a group of kids decked out with gold and all the high fashion clothes and shoes, buying steaks and lobster and a ton of junk food as they brag to their friends that they don't need to work because if they keep having babies then the state will pay for them.

I will admit I have turned in a few people, one even being my husband's oldest son's babies momma. She is piece of **** that doesn't even deserve to breath the same air as all of us.
She had two boys by my husband's son and when they broke up she went all sorts of retarded.
Two years later ended up pregnant again by someone she met one night. The lowlife went into labor at home and instead of having one of the boys run downstairs to use a neighbors phone to call the ambulance. She gave birth infront of the boys on the kitchen floor to a sweet little girl who ended up dying because "she didn't know what to do" and never cleaned the baby off.

How fricken stupid can someone be and the best part about 3 months later she had come to our house to drop the grandkids off and all she could talk about was how she lost her little girl and all this other crap.
My husband had to tell her to leave because I was going to beat her until she had one breath left to her life. She was never charged with murder and the little girl was quickly creamated with no autopsy done.

So yea I have issues with people that like to abuse the system.
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post #20 of 98 Old 03-05-2013, 11:18 AM
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I went with a group from my church to take some food to a poor family that defacs had recommended as desperately needing help. Their television was as big as my car. There were beer cans and cigarette cartons laying all over the house.
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