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post #31 of 98 Old 03-05-2013, 01:10 PM
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The big problem with drug testing is that the biggest drugs of choice for the abuser are prescription opiates. People take them for the buzz. People take them as an abuse drug. Some people take them because they sincerely need them. If you have a prescription, you have a right to take it. I have heard about people selling their opiates, buying them, grinding them and snorting them, injecting them, all for the "party drug" recreational effect. And there is nothing legally that can be done as long as these drugs are legal prescription.

A kid that smokes a joint will go to prison. Logical?
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post #32 of 98 Old 03-05-2013, 01:22 PM
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I do if they're not willing to work instead of taking a handout the rest of their lives that those like me who actually DO work are paying. Welfare was originally intended to give people a hand UP, not be a forever handout for the lazy and self-entitled dregs of society.

I think if you don't WANT to work, then you should starve. Period. If there's nothing wrong with you physically or mentally other than you're a lazy piece of garbage, it shouldn't be up to those who actually work to fund your lifestyle.
Aside from the horse issue, I feel I must say something here. It is so easy to condemn others until you have been in their shoes. Not everyone who is on welfare is there because they are lazy. Believe it or not, there are actually legitimate reasons why someone may be having a hard time.

Let me tell you my personal story: A few years ago, my mother was diagnosed with terminal cancer. Since I was the closest to her, it fell on my shoulders to become her caregiver. I had to quit my job, and we both moved to be near pretty much the only other family we had: my sister and aunt.

Now, all during my working years I had saved as much money as possible, knowing that some day I would need it in an emergency. It wasn't a lot, but it was enough to get me through at least several months of unemployment. Well, for whatever reason Mom decided to mention this to Sis, and Sis persuaded me to let her take care of it for me, so "nothing would happen to it". And like an idiot I trusted her. And why not? She's my sister and a good Christian woman.

Well, to make a long story short...I was unable to draw unemployment because I was unable to look for gainful employment, because I was taking full-time care of a very ill parent. Nobody was paying me anything- I had no income. I earned my grocery money by donating blood plasma.

When Mom passed away, I manged to stay in the apartment for a few more months, with others helping me out. (And I was definitely looking for a job- but since I hadn't worked for almost four years and didn't have a car, most employers wouldn't touch me.) When the money finally ran out, I was forced to do one of two things: be on the streets, or move in with Sis and my BIL. Of course I did the latter.

My sister, not myself, signed me up for welfare and/or food stamps. I did not want to do that, but really had no choice. I didn't qualify for welfare, but she got me on food stamps. (Now remember, they had my money for "safe keeping", or so I thought.)

When I finally asked for my money back, she sheepishly informed me that they had used "some" of it for personal expenses...out of several thousand dollars which I saved up for years for just such a situation that I was in, she had only $600 left to give back to me! To say that I was stunned is putting it mildly.

As if that wasn't bad enough, my BIL treated me like I was a leech. All I wanted to do was to find a decent job, move out of their place and get back on my feet!

I finally did get a job, but it took nine months and the help of an employment agency. I'm now off food stamps (and hope I never have to go that route again) and am supporting myself. I'm still "friends" with my sister and BIL, although I never again will be able to trust them with money. From now on, if I ever manage to save up money in any amount, it will be ME who is in control of it- no one else!

Anyway, all that to say again- not everyone who is on welfare/food stamps/SSI is a lazy, good-for-nothing who refuses to work. Of course there are people like that, lots of them I'm sure. But not all of them.
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post #33 of 98 Old 03-05-2013, 01:31 PM
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I dont think they're talking about people with situations like yours. You fell on hard times with an ill parent, could happen to anybody, and you WANTED to work, and you dug yourself out (bravo by the way :))

I think they're talking about the people who lose they're job, or never really try to get one, who sit down and decide "well, ill make more off the government anyway, let them pay me" get their welfare, and then proceed to have children, or look for ways to get the government to give them MORE money.

Those are the "lazy" people they are talking about.
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post #34 of 98 Old 03-05-2013, 01:31 PM
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Anyway, all that to say again- not everyone who is on welfare/food stamps/SSI is a lazy, good-for-nothing who refuses to work. Of course there are people like that, lots of them I'm sure. But not all of them.
Your situation was completely different than what we're talking about here. For those who actually NEED it, I have no problem taking care of them.

Did you not actually read my posts before you decided to take offense to them? I thought I made my posts crystal clear about the type of person to whom I was referring.

If you can't feed, clothe and house yourself without public assistance, then you have no business buying a horse. If you fall on hard times through no fault of your own and already own horses, that's another thing entirely. As is the situation in which you found yourself.
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post #35 of 98 Old 03-05-2013, 01:45 PM
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I'm also a big believer that if I have to pass a drug test to work, EVERYBODY ought to be passing random drugs tests to get that welfare check.
Word.

Coming from the poor former PFC (yay got my e-4 back). Who's been slotted to pee in a cup the last three tests.
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post #36 of 98 Old 03-05-2013, 01:46 PM
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Your situation was completely different than what we're talking about here. For those who actually NEED it, I have no problem taking care of them.

Did you not actually read my posts before you decided to take offense to them? I thought I made my posts crystal clear about the type of person to whom I was referring.
Actually, yes I did read it. I was a little hasty, perhaps, in my reply because I'd just been reading some similar comments over on Facebook- someone there was spouting off about how people on welfare are all just a bunch of lazy burdens on society. That person apparently couldn't see two sides of the coin, and it got me a bit riled.
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And the other side of the coin: the ones that want to use the system for its intended use and get turned down. I know two people personally that applied for unemployment to hold them over between jobs (one moved with her little child for a new job and just needed assistance for the 2 months before she started the new job, the other was laid off due to downsizing of company and just wanted some to hold her over while looking for another job and going to school). Both were turned down. Both also had BS degrees. Which BTW don't mean much anymore, so just because you have one doesn't mean you can get a job.

Then I see the 21 year old girls that are delivering their 5th! child... *sigh*
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I think this is an issue that goes far beyond owning a horse.

I suppose it all boils down to how different people are and what they are willing to do for money - there are those that ride the system and those who take what they need. Heck my SIL and her hubby are after redecorating their entire house, shes on mat leave with kid #3 (the oldest is 3 1/2) and he's been out of work for 4 years - and they also have a brand new car?!?! WTH?

People on the dole make more a week than I do working. We are entitled to nothing, and have our finances figured out to the cent to enable us to get by and keep our horses. I was told after my second child that I shouldn't bother working and just claim as I'd come out with more on the dole than I would after I took the childcare out of my wages.

Nothing is more frustrating than the way the system is *coughNOTcough* monitored. The amazing thing is that there are always people smoking outside the pubs in the middle of the working day - which most likely means they have a pint on the table when they are finished. For flips, I read a story in the paper the other day of a 19yo mother of 3 who complained she couldn't get by on her benefits of over 1000 a week! She makes more in a month than myself and my husband.
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Ok you all make it seem like everyone on assistance is lazy. I was on govt assistance living as a room mate with my friends and I don't have a lot of job experience. I am in school now! I am off of govt assistance. It is easy to fall in to that trap though. But I made it a point to only use it until I did not need it and now I don't need it so I didn't renew. I had a job the whole time I was on assistance and I worked my *** off so I could pay my rent.
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Ok you all make it seem like everyone on assistance is lazy. I was on govt assistance living as a room mate with my friends and I don't have a lot of job experience. I am in school now! I am off of govt assistance. It is easy to fall in to that trap though. But I made it a point to only use it until I did not need it and now I don't need it so I didn't renew. I had a job the whole time I was on assistance and I worked my *** off so I could pay my rent.
Have you actually read any of the responses or just assumed you knew what was being said? Someone in your situation who used it in the short-term and then works their way out of needing it is exactly what it is for and most do not have a problem with that. Its the people who make welfare a career choice that is the issue.
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