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post #1 of 14 Old 11-14-2013, 06:55 AM Thread Starter
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Question is this considered mean?

I have a lippit morgan gelding and I only show small local shows some overnight night shows here and there we do western pleasure but more of the ranch type. But the "western jog" is required still I was reading its not a natural gait for the horse my gelding already was trained to do it before I got him and he does it willing is it mean or abusive to make him "jog" like this for show/ pleasure purposes?
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In my opinion it is not "mean," but will take practice/exercise for him to be able to do the jog trot. It is not a useful or functional gait and I can't understand why some classes and judges require it, especially in a supposed "ranch" class.

It doesn't take much effort to sit a jog trot, though, and that may be the reason it is popular in some circles.

If you otherwise like the classes that require it, I guess it's worth practicing towards.
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Appropriately training, then asking a horse to perform a gait that is safe on the joints is not mean.

One of my mounts is a high level competitive cutting horse, that I am turning into an English dressage horse because it's better for his joints (he got pretty torn up in the Western world), he needs a job, and it's a challenge for both of us. Sharing because part of that job is getting him to abandon the jog trot for a more forward, bigger, faster trot. Teaching a horse a new gait, or reviving one that was taught long ago and has gone unused, can be hard! Pay attention to their habits at all gaits, spend lots of time on the line, and be patient - if you have a good, well trained horse and you're not getting the gait you want right away, look very closely at what you are, or are not, communicating with your body. With this boy, for instance, we spent many sessions where any command to halt was interpreted as "back up," and any request to speed up the trot meant "gallop." You'll get it, but new gaits are hard, and take time.

Good luck, and have fun! Please do let us know how it goes.
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Considering my horse often chooses to do it, I wouldn't say it is mean. I enjoy riding it, but it does seem very pointless considering it really isn't any faster or more comfortable than a walk.
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I have a lippit morgan gelding
I apologize in advance for getting off topic

I don't get involved in show ring questions but I would love to see pics of your Lippit. He is pure Lippit? If he is a younger horse, how did the breeders managed to preserve the purity

A million years ago, I had a solid Blood Bay Egyptian Arab/Lippit Morgan cross. He was the sweetest most willing fella and an excellent trail horse:) I took him to age 27. He had been road raced by the kids of his previous owners and developed low ring bone. Back in the 80's, comfortably getting him to 27 was an effort.
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The four beat lope, nose to the chest is probably worse.

I have a few Lippitt/Government Morgans. Great horses

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I dont know how horses are trained to perform those unnatural gaits in Western Pleasure . I cannot say if it is cruel or not.
At least the horses nose is not 4 inches above the ground like in the past. Shalom
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I apologize in advance for getting off topic

I don't get involved in show ring questions but I would love to see pics of your Lippit. He is pure Lippit? If he is a younger horse, how did the breeders managed to preserve the purity

A million years ago, I had a solid Blood Bay Egyptian Arab/Lippit Morgan cross. He was the sweetest most willing fella and an excellent trail horse:) I took him to age 27. He had been road raced by the kids of his previous owners and developed low ring bone. Back in the 80's, comfortably getting him to 27 was an effort.

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This is my gelding he's 22yrs old and we are not 100% certain he's lippit we just know he's has morgan in him...many opinions have told me he's lippit and I did research and that seems about right but we'll never really know. He was originally sold as a cart horse so he can drive too.
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I apologize in advance for getting off topic

I don't get involved in show ring questions but I would love to see pics of your Lippit. He is pure Lippit? If he is a younger horse, how did the breeders managed to preserve the purity

A million years ago, I had a solid Blood Bay Egyptian Arab/Lippit Morgan cross. He was the sweetest most willing fella and an excellent trail horse:) I took him to age 27. He had been road raced by the kids of his previous owners and developed low ring bone. Back in the 80's, comfortably getting him to 27 was an effort.
Oh my, I had such a giggle now, I thought she meant she has a Lipizzaner crossed with a Morgan and was just trying to type it in a short way! Googled it now. You learn something new every day.

Doc is beautiful by the way. :)
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I once saw a horse in a hula skirt sway his hind end from side to side and turn in a circle at the command of his trainer. The hula is most definitely not a natural gait, and most horses are probably not well suited for it, but there was no harm done to the horse mentally or physically in teaching him how to do it.

And no, I am not joking. Lol!
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