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post #21 of 29 Old 03-03-2013, 07:53 PM
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I normally avoid these threads but I know you're all dying to hear my opinion so here goes

The pro-group loses me when they say that the only alternatives for uwanted horses are slaughter or starvation.

The anti-group loses me when they speak of government regulation &/or licensing of breeders/owners.

I choose personal responsibility. Each person has the right to do what they think is best & make decisions they can live with. For me that is not breeding my mares, having only the number of horses I can properly keep & keeping them through the end of their days.
I don't show or compete so my horses never lose their usefulness, they remain useless.
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post #22 of 29 Old 03-04-2013, 09:00 AM
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The slaughter ban should be lifted in May. Like cattle, all horses will have to be traceable. I'd like to know what has happened to all those horses that were being held when the ban was imposed. Who's feeding them and what shape are they in now? Have they all gone to Mexico. Surely the import ban hit there as well.

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post #23 of 29 Old 04-04-2013, 11:39 AM
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The problem with being anti-slaughter is turning horses from livestock into companion animals. I am one of the biggest horse lovers on the planet, but they are LIVESTOCK. I do not want anyone telling me my horses cannot stand in the pasture, rain, snow or shine. God designed them to do this. I do not want anyone telling me my horses cannot eat grass, or round bales, or drink out of a stock pond because the water in it is not clean. God designed them to do this. I do not have to clip them, groom them, bathe them, or comb the knots out of their manes. I do these things because I enjoy taking care of them, but I do not HAVE to do them.

The slaughter market gives horse prices a "bottom", and as you can see by Craigs list, etc, we do not have a bottom to the market, so we have a LOT of free horses.

Euthanized horses have to be buried, or hauled to a "composter", at great expense, and when you cannot afford to feed the horse alive, how can you pay $500+ to take care of it dead?

As evidenced by the current state of affairs, be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

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post #24 of 29 Old 04-04-2013, 11:51 AM
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Natisha thats awesome! "my horses never loose their usefullness, they remain useless". That pretty much sums up my collection as well. We always lament that they can't win a race by just being pretty. No A for effort in the horse world.

Slaughter I agree it comes down to personal responsibility. I try to never sell a horse into slaughter and I don't want my horse (my property) to end up there. Its not my place to tell others where to put their property. I think people need to be educated and realistic. Both sides could bend a little and create something that works. The pro and the anti share a lot of common ground and concerns.
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post #25 of 29 Old 04-04-2013, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by LadyDreamer View Post
Instead of working so hard to stop it, put your effort into finding alternatives. There was a thing on Kickstarter the other day looking for donations to stop horse slaughter. Their idea: make and sell ART. How in the heck does that help anything?

Come up with ideas! What is the root cause? Too many horses, not enough homes! Think of ways to stop, or lessen the number of ill-bred horses being produced. Educational programs on reproduction. Gelding clinics. Things of that sort.

Then come up with ways to create more quality homes! None of this "Oooh! I want to save poor wittle horses from slaughter!" And then they go buy fifteen $50 horses at a kill auction. No. We need more kids and families taking lessons. We need more people looking into and experiencing the joys of horses. We need more owner. More trainers. More lesson riders. More shows. More competitions. More prizes. More INCENTIVE for people to have a horse or five. Come up with ideas to bring back the weekend fun shows. Build up another pony club type thing. Come up with more programs to get people to try riding.

There HAS to be an outlet for the horses, or they will ALL suffer.

Ideally, when there is an outlet for the horses, the number sent to the slaughterhouse will drop.
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post #26 of 29 Old 04-04-2013, 06:24 PM
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yes, my DH says they are very consistent in remaining useless!!

I quit telling people I was in the horse busines....now I say I in the recycling business. My horses recycle hay, feed, and therefore money, into fertilizer!!!

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post #27 of 29 Old 04-04-2013, 07:13 PM
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I haven't read the whole thread but I am pro slaughter. I would also like to point out to people that want to euthanize at home, it is no more or less humane than that used at a slaughter plant. A captive bolt is used and is considered just as humane as an injection, the problem is not with how the horses are killed it is the conditions leading up to that.
If there was no slaughter, the unwanted horses that are everywhere would just be turned out to fend for themselves or left to starve. It is unfortunate that everybody and their dog wants to breed for whatever reason. Slaughter is just a nasty side effect of an even bigger problem of uncontrolled breeding.
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post #28 of 29 Old 04-06-2013, 01:18 PM
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I am joining this thread simply to supply some facts. I wrote two papers for college last year both focused on this subject. This way everyone can see reliable facts from multiple reliable sources. If you want me to PM or email you the documents I will as it seems I cannot upload them here. I worked on these papers for about 2-3 months sifting through hundreds of pages of scholarly articles as well as studies. I tried to show both sides of the the topic, however you can obviously see where I do lie in the subject.

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post #29 of 29 Old 04-06-2013, 06:28 PM
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I just wanted to make a comment about how to stop over breeding. The reason why it keeps happening is a psychological problem called "optimism bias." People have a natural tendency to believe they will be successful at whatever they set out to do. That's why backyard breeders keep believing people will line up to buy their fugly no-name horses. It's why racehorse breeders keep believing the next foal they produce will turn out to be a champion. When someone is suffering from optimism bias, they are not thinking logically. No amount of information to the contrary will convince them that they're wrong. So education is not the answer to over breeding. Neither is creating more riders/owners because that would just make the breeders even more foolishly optimistic. Rewards and punishments are the only things that might work.
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