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post #31 of 82 Old 08-21-2009, 09:45 PM
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if my animals don't go to heaven, i want to go where they are.


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Ah, theres another problem I had. I talked to a priest a few years ago. He told me that if there were one person, who lived a good life, thought there was something out there that was higher (a god of sorts) and essentially followed the rules in the bible but was unsure of the specifics of an afterlife (which religion is right? are they all partially right?) that person would go to hell.
However if you have a person who lives their life in sin murders, rapes, etc and disregards any higher power for their entire life, but seconds before death accepts that Jesus is the correct choice, he will go to heaven.

So is recognizing a god and living by the rules in the bible but not necissarily knowing what is correct good enough or must you accept Jesus and know 100% he is right to go to heaven?

This is the line where I get confused. I'm sure I have more of a concept of god than an animal because of being able to talk to other people, going to a church, etc. However were it not for my upbringing and catholoicisim being as huge as it is, I would be on the same page as animals.

Again, Im sorry if I'm going too off subject here!
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So is recognizing a god and living by the rules in the bible but not necissarily knowing what is correct good enough or must you accept Jesus and know 100% he is right to go to heaven?
Ok. Many people will not agree with me here but...

I don't beleive in 'feel good religion one saved always saved'. But before anyone gets their feathers ruffled, think about it. If you get 'saved' and continue to live a nasty, druggy, horrible life, do you REALLY think God will want to save you? No.

I believe in baptism, an outside symbol of what is going on 'inside you' when you get 'saved'. Your sins are 'washed away'. Now, of course, you must continue to live a godly-like manner or else, well, you won't go to Heaven. It's such an easy thing to do. Just be baptised. Sounds hokey perhaps, but Jesus himself was baptised.

Acts 2:38:

38 Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

That being said, you must continue to live by God's laws (10 Commandments), which aren't afterall, hard to live by.

So yes, that's my look on it all.

Off subject, I know, but I think this thread might be handy as long as nobody gets carried away.
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So far everyone seems civil.

I was baptised as a small child. I went to catholic school until highschool and was very devoted until the end when I began to comprehend things and question. I live by the 10 commandments, but I call that being a good person. For me, a lifetime of good deeds and living by "God's laws" is more valuable than living against them and then devoting yourself to him when you realize you're at the end.

When I heard that, it bothered me. For me, "church" can be a much more internal thing than a building.
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^ A 'church' is the people. You are probably thinking of a church building.

Besides, if one truly loved God and want to love for Him, why do people feel that they can't set aside 1 hour of church a week?
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Ah, sorry.
For ME a church is the people or one person. I feel too much emphasis is put on that one hour being spent inside a church BUILDING
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What do you mean?
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^ Meaning that people focus too much on whether of not someone sits for an hour a week inside a church building.
Why does actually going to services matter?

I personally am not religious, at all. However I was raised Jewish, raised to believe in god, the ten commandments, etc. But not heaven. That being said, as I got older I just don't believe in any of that. There may be some sort of creator, but I don't believe in an afterlife, or God. I'd love to be wrong though. :]

If there's a heaven and my first horse Bo, and my other animals aren't there than I'm not sure I'd want to go anyway. Ha ha. But I cannot and will not believe that animals don't have a soul, whatever that may be. That thing that gives you your personality, your spark. No one could meet any of my animals and not see it.

Just my thoughts.

I give myself very good advice, But I very seldom follow it

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But not heaven. That being said, as I got older I just don't believe in any of that. There may be some sort of creator, but I don't believe in an afterlife, or God. I'd love to be wrong though. :]
^ Have you ever read the Bible? Or is it just one big 'lie' to you?

'Why does actually going to services matter?'

Umm.. Worshiping God.. Why not thank him for everything he's given you?

And listening to the preacher is basically just for spiritual help. Some people skip it or leave.

Communion is for remembering God's death and respecting it, being thankful for it, etc.
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i was raised baptist but am a naturalist. i think when people and things die, they become part of nature. i can't imagine that there is a god who would deny someone who has lived a mostly innocent life and never accepted jesus as their savior, a seat in heaven for a murderer who repented right before he died. that would just be a cruel god to me.


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