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post #1 of 36 Old 07-18-2013, 11:48 AM Thread Starter
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DOT cracking down on horse trailers.

Trainer friend of mine on way to Tom Powers wrote this:

Horse people listen up. Just going to share my misfortune from traveling to tom powers. They are starting to really crack down on DOT #'s and CDL's. I was driving through Iowa and got pulled over by the county sheriff. He pulled me over to check my paperwork (coggins/healthpaper). I had all my paperwork in order. He then asked for my DOT number on my truck. I said I didn't need one, I was private. He proceeded to read me all the rules and regulations and give me NINE tickets. Kept me on the side of the road with horses for two hours and said that I had to get DOT numbers for my truck and trailer and a CDL. I told him I was not commercial. Doesn't matter he said. Your truck and trailer combo is rated for just over 26,000 lbs. I have been checking into fighting this, but it is looking like there is no way out of it. If anyone has had this happen and knows a rule to save me from having to get a CDL, I would really appreciate it. If not, watch yourself. By the way, my truck is a one ton dually and I have a six horse gooseneck trailer with midtack. Not that big of a rig. Just thought I would share. Used with permission.



This is easy money for states, and the feds.

You have to have a Class A CDL if over 26,000. You also have to have a DOT number on power unit, medical card, log books, and follow HOS and go through weigh stations.

It remains to be seen if they are going to do fuel purchase requirements yet? But if they can get money from it, I look for them to do so.

And going through weigh stations is perfect way for them to shut you down if you are not legal.

One woman was shut down in MN on way to vet with her own horses, but her rig was over 26,000. They kept her there, while she tried to no avail to find driver with CDL, when she couldn't, she was turned around, missing her vet appointment, and wasting time sitting with a loaded trailer.

While you may think you can try to fight this? The reality is you are not going to be able to, and you run the risk of them impounding your horses and rig if you get too wound up with them.

And they are checking Coggins and health papers too.

According to FMCSA, if you are 26,000+, and even haul a friend to trail ride and they give you gas money? You are considered 'For Hire' and fall under this. If you show even for ribbon? You are a commercial driver, even if it is your own horses.

And using the RV excuse if you have LQ will not work if you are hauling customer horses, or competing yourself.

This link also gives more information. http://gohorseshow.com/article.cfm?articleID=34603

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post #2 of 36 Old 07-18-2013, 11:49 AM Thread Starter
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This is update from friend. Used with permission.

Anybody following my CDL issue, here is what I have learned over the last couple days. Talked to Iowa DOT officer, MN DOT, and County license people, and read most of the CDL manual. Basically the first rule of the manual states it pretty plane and clear. You need a CDL if the greater of the two is over 26,000 lbs. Combo actual weight or GVWR of the combo. So even if you actually weigh 20,000, but your GVWR is 28,000. You need one. This will apply to all dually one ton trucks pulling a four horse trailer or bigger. They also say if you are going to a horse show and winning money or selling your horse, or making money or remuneration in any way while on the trip, that is commerse. We are all screwed!!!!!!

Oh ya, I called to schedule my writing exam, and asked about the road test. There is a waiting list at all the local test sites until the end of September. You can't schedule your driving test until you have passed your written test and actually have your permit. Then you can schedule a driving test, so by that time it will be October. Can't drive a Commercial vehicle on your permit unless you have a CDL driver along with you. This is going to make getting to the NSBA and Reichert near impossible. Then you have to get a medical exam, log book, only travel so many hours at one time, and I am still checking into the fuel issue. Was told you have to record and report how many miles you travel in a state and how much fuel you use in that state and report it quarterly.

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I'm looking into it for WI. I do know that delivery drivers for UPS & FedEx are NOT required to log or have a CDL. Not sure exactly what the exception was for that.

I will have to get ahold of my DOT contacts and find out

**starts emailing***

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That is just crazy and totally un necessary. I hual cattle to sales with a 2 ton truck and a 22 foot trailer fully loaded and have never been stopped or asked for any CDL. Maybe because I live in Texas . The traffic cops would be too bus y pulling over stock trailers to catch people speeding.
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Woman from TX, hauling hay from her farm down there to her farm in KS got stopped in KS, impounded until her daughter in TX came to KS with the paperwork showing she had farms in both states, and was hauling her stuff to her other farm.

They would not let it be faxed, e-mailed...would not work with her at all.

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That is just crazy and totally un necessary. I hual cattle to sales with a 2 ton truck and a 22 foot trailer fully loaded and have never been stopped or asked for any CDL. Maybe because I live in Texas . The traffic cops would be too bus y pulling over stock trailers to catch people speeding.
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What is GVW, are you hauling YOUR cattle, and are you on farm tags? That may be the way you won't have to have one, but if you haul anyone else's cows, there you go.

Basically?

I see it as a way to get more money, rather than making roads safe. BS.

And the HOS are a crock.

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Oh, wow. Now those that can afford the bigger rigs are getting penalized. Just makes one want to throw up their hands & wander-What next?
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D**n penny pinching, make the poor individual pay, gov't officials.... My vision means I'll never see a CDL and DH will have to drive everywhere we go. He's a home bound hermit....

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Allrighty. I just got off the phone with the Federal Motor Carriers (the ones that make the rules). This is what was said.
1. Even if you drive a 4-horse gooseneck & 1-ton truck (exceeds GVW) you DO NOT need a CDL or DOT # if you are NOT making money. So if it is STRICTLY for private use, nothing is needed. Even across state lines

2. the grey area comes in when you are hauling to a show. That depends on the individual that is pulling you over. Trophies & winnings are considered 'for profit' IF you claim them on your taxes, but can also be considered 'for profit' by the individual pulling you over. However, if you are not hauling clients horses or own a farm that is considered a business it is recommended that you contest the citation. IF you own a barn that gives lessons, trains, breeds, or sells horses and reports income for that then YOU MUST follow commercial rules (CDL, DOT #, hrs of service, etc.).

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Would horses you lease be considered yours in this case? It might be that trainers hauling clients to shows might have to fudge the rules like they do with riding as an Amateur and be co-owners or lease the horse.
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