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post #11 of 36 Old 07-18-2013, 12:50 PM
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Not sure about your state, but in OR the back of a regular non-commercial license clearly states that it allows you to operate a vehicle with a GVWR up to 26,000 lbs. Regardless of your trainer friend's opinion, a 6 horse trailer is a sizeable rig, larger than most private horse owners would ever haul, and it should occur to anyone driving a rig of that size that they may be exceeding the allowances of a regular license.
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post #12 of 36 Old 07-18-2013, 12:51 PM
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Not new. Last month they had stops going on some of the major freeways in the metro here in MN. Lots of bogus tickets written.

PS: you always say you are going for a trail ride when pulled over.
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Would horses you lease be considered yours in this case? It might be that trainers hauling clients to shows might have to fudge the rules like they do with riding as an Amateur and be co-owners or lease the horse.
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Inorder for the trainer to fudge on that, their name would have to be on the paperwork(coggins or the like) for each horse. I would be more inclined to just say we are on the way to a trail ride and if it is a LQ then we are going camping and trail riding for the weekend.
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Is this some new law or just something that has been on the books for a while but just now getting enforced?

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This is update from friend. Used with permission.

Anybody following my CDL issue, here is what I have learned over the last couple days. Talked to Iowa DOT officer, MN DOT, and County license people, and read most of the CDL manual. Basically the first rule of the manual states it pretty plane and clear. You need a CDL if the greater of the two is over 26,000 lbs. Combo actual weight or GVWR of the combo. So even if you actually weigh 20,000, but your GVWR is 28,000. You need one. If you are in commerce (i.e. reporting any earnings) This will apply to all dually one ton trucks pulling a four horse trailer or bigger once again, only if you are profiting. They also say if you are going to a horse show and winning money or selling your horse, or making money or remuneration in any way while on the trip, that is commerse. If you are cited for that it was strongly suggested that you contest the citation as long as it's not your business. So if you sold your horse, and that's all you are going to sell for awhile, that can be contested and the citation will probably be overturned. We are all screwed!!!!!!

Oh ya, I called to schedule my writing exam, and asked about the road test. There is a waiting list at all the local test sites until the end of September. You can't schedule your driving test until you have passed your written test and actually have your permit. Then you can schedule a driving test, so by that time it will be October. Can't drive a Commercial vehicle on your permit unless you have a CDL driver along with you. This is going to make getting to the NSBA and Reichert near impossible This is the grey area & will depend on where you are/who pulled you over. Shows that are there solely 'to make $$ or other prizes' can be considered commerce even if you don't claim them on taxes. You can argue about if they are just for points & ribbons. Basically, a lot depends on how you answer any questions asked. If you are a trainer & have lesson kids in the trailer with you, a breeder taking a stud to a show or foals to a show to sell, or a trainer taking clients horses anywhere for you to ride than yes commerce regs apply. Then you have to get a medical exam, log book, only travel so many hours at one time, and I am still checking into the fuel issue. Was told you have to record and report how many miles you travel in a state and how much fuel you use in that state and report it quarterly That is only for IFTA registered vehicles.
I used this as my example when I called, but said it was my friend DOT guys answers are in red. (Don't know why I didn't just post it this way in the first place, duh)
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I would suggest having a copy of the DOT book or parts pertaining to the DOT stickers and CDLs to hopefully help keep the ticket away when they realize you know what is going on.
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Not new. Last month they had stops going on some of the major freeways in the metro here in MN. Lots of bogus tickets written.

PS: you always say you are going for a trail ride when pulled over.

Thing is they are looking at health papers...which clearly state where you are going.

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Thing is they are looking at health papers...which clearly state where you are going.
Are you talking driver health cards or the horses? Because those are 2 separate issues

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I would suggest having a copy of the DOT book or parts pertaining to the DOT stickers and CDLs to hopefully help keep the ticket away when they realize you know what is going on.
From having driven an 18 wheeler, and still having CDL as well as spousal unit that drives. Arguing with the DOT especially, or showing them the rules is a good way to end up with more trouble than you want.

And sure don't want to banter back and forth with loaded trailer either.
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Are you talking driver health cards or the horses? Because those are 2 separate issues

Health papers that should be with your Coggins, that vet has filled out.

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