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post #2651 of 7202 Old 02-24-2012, 03:04 PM
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Pft, sometimes the only option left is to ride em out until they can't buck no more... after they spend their whole riding life being able to throw everyone who gets on em, all you get is a sweetheart on the ground from all the ground training in the world, and a rodeo horse under saddle Asking me how I know! LOL
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I think it is tough cowboy logic that says to ride the bronco and not get thrown so teach the horse that bucking doesn't work to throw the rider. Personally, I don't think that corrects the behavior. Most of my experience with bucking horses was the horse reacting to either me or an outside force. And sticking to their back didn't correct the behavior. My all time favorite horse never bucked, but my second favorite would try. It was always the first transition into the canter while doing arena type work that she would try, and I say "try" because it was such a pathetic attempt. Immediately responding to her attitude by getting her nose to her side and doing circles until she yielded (about 10 seconds average) and then we had a perfect ride for the rest of the day with no attitude. Other horses that I rode all bucked for different reasons, one gelding would try bucking if you cantered in a continual circle over and over, when he started getting upset, all you needed to do was change the size of circle and he would be happy and relaxed. Other bucking horses were spooked, set off by another horse, pinched by a girth or just mad with an ample amount of attitude. Just my experience here ;)
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post #2653 of 7202 Old 02-24-2012, 03:25 PM
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Horses buck because of different stimuli, but the objective is to get you off. IF you stay on you can ride the buck out of a horse. They are too dang lazy to waste energy on efforts that don't pay off. A good rider who stays in the seat can get outta of them...repetition, repetition, repetition...if it don't work they stop.

I am all for groundwork but there is WAYYYY to much of it anymore and not enough riding going on. Its no substitute for a horse under saddle...thats where the truth comes out of the horse.
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post #2654 of 7202 Old 02-24-2012, 03:32 PM
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I think it is tough cowboy logic that says to ride the bronco and not get thrown so teach the horse that bucking doesn't work to throw the rider. Personally, I don't think that corrects the behavior. Most of my experience with bucking horses was the horse reacting to either me or an outside force. And sticking to their back didn't correct the behavior. My all time favorite horse never bucked, but my second favorite would try. It was always the first transition into the canter while doing arena type work that she would try, and I say "try" because it was such a pathetic attempt. Immediately responding to her attitude by getting her nose to her side and doing circles until she yielded (about 10 seconds average) and then we had a perfect ride for the rest of the day with no attitude. Other horses that I rode all bucked for different reasons, one gelding would try bucking if you cantered in a continual circle over and over, when he started getting upset, all you needed to do was change the size of circle and he would be happy and relaxed. Other bucking horses were spooked, set off by another horse, pinched by a girth or just mad with an ample amount of attitude. Just my experience here ;)
You never met the foster horse Starbuck then...

Smart and quick that one was. When someone before me attempted to break him, he found out through his wiley ways that bucking worked. I don't know what happened after that, but when the Rescue League gave me the go ahead to try and "correct" him after six years of his behavior (nobody of course wanted to adopt a little grade horse who couldn't be ridden), it was just part of him by then. His tack was a perfect fit, tried different bits, even tried bitless or without a saddle at all. Nothing material was the issue, and he had a clean bill of health from the vet.

Bucky (Funny name, right?) had the most ground training in the world, he was respectful and quiet on the ground as long as the handler kept up on him. But he was soooo lazy, was one of those horses who simply did not want to do what you wanted and had their own minds and ideas about how things should go.
You could ride him around the pasture, and he would do beautifully in the ring. But you try to take him out on the trails and he decided that was too much work. Ask for a canter? Nope he would buck. Go up or down a hill? Buck. Again, he was given the full go ahead by the vet, and though I'm not perfect I am a decent rider with light hands.

Some horses just need to learn that bucking won't get them what they want, and sometimes there is old wisdom in the "Old Cowboy" way of training if you go about it properly... I don't think horses like Bucky are super common, which is good. I sure wished it had been as simple as a tack problem Would have saved me a lot of bruises!!
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post #2655 of 7202 Old 02-24-2012, 03:48 PM
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You never met the foster horse Starbuck then...

Smart and quick that one was. When someone before me attempted to break him, he found out through his wiley ways that bucking worked. I don't know what happened after that, but when the Rescue League gave me the go ahead to try and "correct" him after six years of his behavior (nobody of course wanted to adopt a little grade horse who couldn't be ridden), it was just part of him by then. His tack was a perfect fit, tried different bits, even tried bitless or without a saddle at all. Nothing material was the issue, and he had a clean bill of health from the vet.

Bucky (Funny name, right?) had the most ground training in the world, he was respectful and quiet on the ground as long as the handler kept up on him. But he was soooo lazy, was one of those horses who simply did not want to do what you wanted and had their own minds and ideas about how things should go.
You could ride him around the pasture, and he would do beautifully in the ring. But you try to take him out on the trails and he decided that was too much work. Ask for a canter? Nope he would buck. Go up or down a hill? Buck. Again, he was given the full go ahead by the vet, and though I'm not perfect I am a decent rider with light hands.

Some horses just need to learn that bucking won't get them what they want, and sometimes there is old wisdom in the "Old Cowboy" way of training if you go about it properly... I don't think horses like Bucky are super common, which is good. I sure wished it had been as simple as a tack problem Would have saved me a lot of bruises!!
No, I am sure I had said "mad with an ample amount of attitude" as one reason to buck. I have met horses that would throw a fit from nothing, even not being allowed to race to the barn. Sticking their bucks never worked either. The mare I mentioned that had an awful excuse for a buck, never once threw a rider in her life. Her buck was an attempt (pathetic as it was) to get rid of me, never succeeded but would still try off and on for several years. I rode a horse named Bucky when I was little... But he was a buckskin and was as bomb proof as a living horse can be.

What I am really saying is that a trainer can't hire a bronc rider to "fix" the bucking problem in two days like they are expecting to happen.
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No, I am sure I had said "mad with an ample amount of attitude" as one reason to buck. I have met horses that would throw a fit from nothing, even not being allowed to race to the barn. Sticking their bucks never worked either. The mare I mentioned that had an awful excuse for a buck, never once threw a rider in her life. Her buck was an attempt (pathetic as it was) to get rid of me, never succeeded but would still try off and on for several years. I rode a horse named Bucky when I was little... But he was a buckskin and was as bomb proof as a living horse can be.

What I am really saying is that a trainer can't hire a bronc rider to "fix" the bucking problem in two days like they are expecting to happen.
I didn't mean to start an argument or anything, sorry if I came off as judgmental or what not. Just giving detail as to why sometimes the new models of training can't fix everything, and sometimes it takes an ol "bronc" method to fix a problem.

Anyone who expects ANY horse behavior problem to be fixed in two days is just silly in my book Horses just looove to keep trying, at the very least I need to give their species props for consistency.

Edit: I wasn't talking about just little "I DONT WANNA" bucks either, when I say buck I'm talking all feet off the ground and throwing the back end up in the air kind of buck... for a fat pony Bucky sure could pull some moves LOL.

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Yes, I know that a tie down won't prevent a horse from bucking. But just riding through the bucking isnt going to prevent them from bucking either. Just trying to minimize injury, people. But that is a topic for a different thread.
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I think that it is the most bomb proof horse ever! And I think that my kids would love it... After I secure it to the ground of course
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I think that it is the most bomb proof horse ever! And I think that my kids would love it... After I secure it to the ground of course
Hey just throw some roller skates on the hooves and find a good hill!!

....sounds like a blast to me!
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That display horse is huge!! That's the same bridle I use on Indie and it's no where near that long LOL
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