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post #5371 of 7202 Old 12-13-2012, 04:53 AM
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Oh those poor, poor skinny calfs! Does anyone know if that's the sort of thing which SPCA will get involved with...not necessarily to PUNISH the owners if they have a legit issue (trying to play devil's advocate, but hard to do nonetheless), at least to collect those babies and take them elsewhere to be FED??

I know literally NOTHING ABOUT CATTLE, but I DO KNOW A STARVING suffering animal when I see one/many!
Id get them if they would give them away. But I'm not paying for one/any as they are skinny and of course may be sick so not going to risk buying and it just dying.

But I'd love to get them an try to fix them up.
The last cow I had was skin and bones web I got her and got huge and fat by the time I got rid of her
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Id get them if they would give them away. But I'm not paying for one/any as they are skinny and of course may be sick so not going to risk buying and it just dying.

But I'd love to get them an try to fix them up.
The last cow I had was skin and bones web I got her and got huge and fat by the time I got rid of her
Good for you with your last cow!

Arghhh. I so wish I lived in a place where I could do something for animals like that which clearly need interventions but would not fare well in my city backyard! It's probably big enough, but definitely not built/zoned for farm animals--We'd probably be arrested in the city for rescuing even one chicken...
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post #5373 of 7202 Old 12-14-2012, 04:29 PM
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With those calves, you would be suprised, they look skinny yes, but most of us here are used to seeing our horses who do fill in those areas. I live on a dairy farm and all our calves had hips that stuck out a bit and the top of their ribs showing, thats normal... A fat pot belly in calves that age and weaned is also normal, whereas in our horses that would be a wormy belly.

No, I am NOT condoning having skinny animals at all, and yes those calves could do with a little more weight on, but they're not deathly skinny like you think they are :) I'm just saying that the ribs you see, and the hollows around the hips, that's actually suprisingly normal
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post #5374 of 7202 Old 12-14-2012, 05:40 PM
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I know that's normal for some cows.
Longhorns are like that a lot.

A couple of those cows are just too thin to me.
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I agree, those calves aren't emaciated, but they could do with a bit more mass. The problem is that they come from Jersey mommas, which are milk cows. They are handled the same way as Holstein calves and weaned almost at the moment they are born so that momma's milk can be collected. That doesn't exactly give them the best start at life.

Some calf breeds are just naturally more rangy than others. Longhorns, Brahma, Jersey, Holstein, and every other breed that isn't bred to be beef cattle like Hereford and Angus.
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post #5376 of 7202 Old 12-14-2012, 08:26 PM
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While I agree that the ad has some issues, just from those crappy pics, he looks absolutely adorable. I'd take him, even for $800 (owning a draft cross, I think they're worth their weight in gold). I paid $1600 for my boy last year as an unbroken 2yo stud colt and even as a green broke coming 4yo, he'd be worth a good $2500 in my area.
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I love my draft cross too. I got her from the feedlot for $300 as an untouched 2 year old, around here horses that are broke are going for $800. Then again, the hay situation is so bad that I personally know 2 people who have had the hay stolen off of their fields.
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post #5377 of 7202 Old 12-14-2012, 08:52 PM
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Also, the calves.

Around here anyway, most bull calves are shot or sent to a sale. There are some people who try to sell them for $50 each, and they never post pictures. I really wish we had laws protecting "waste" animals, it is so sad to see how they are treated. I'm not assuming any of this, by the way. I dated an ex-dairy farmer for a while, and he milked for 2 other farms in his area, one of them shot all bull calves, one of them sent them to a sale. I guess it is the same with the beef cow industry, but I haven't heard of any beef farmers shooting the bull calves, they usually just send them to the sale.
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post #5378 of 7202 Old 12-14-2012, 08:58 PM
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I guess it is the same with the beef cow industry, but I haven't heard of any beef farmers shooting the bull calves, they usually just send them to the sale.
Oh, no, it's completely different in the beef cattle industry. Bull calves are commonly cut and left with their momma until weaning age and then they are sorted. After sorting, some of them go to auction to be bought by feedlots/private buyers, fed for another year, fattened up, then sent to slaughter. Others are kept by their owners to be fed up for another year before being sold as fatted yearlings ready for the feedlots. They cost more to feed over the winter, but they also bring more money when they are finally sold. No calves get shot in the beef industry unless they need to be euthed due to sickness or injury.
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Oh, no, it's completely different in the beef cattle industry. Bull calves are commonly cut and left with their momma until weaning age and then they are sorted. After sorting, some of them go to auction to be bought by feedlots/private buyers, fed for another year, fattened up, then sent to slaughter. Others are kept by their owners to be fed up for another year before being sold as fatted yearlings ready for the feedlots. They cost more to feed over the winter, but they also bring more money when they are finally sold. No calves get shot in the beef industry unless they need to be euthed due to sickness or injury.
That's good to hear! My ex had a small herd of beef cattle after they got out of the dairy business (before we met) and I never asked him what he did with his bull calves, but I assumed that wasn't it. This might be a dumb question, but what would be the point of sending a new calf to the sale? I'm hoping/guessing people bought them to be raised for meat? There can't be that many people that like veal...

p.s. I'm a vegetarian. If I wasn't, I would have asked him, but my younger self was afraid to know the answer.
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That's good to hear! My ex had a small herd of beef cattle after they got out of the dairy business (before we met) and I never asked him what he did with his bull calves, but I assumed that wasn't it. This might be a dumb question, but what would be the point of sending a new calf to the sale? I'm hoping/guessing people bought them to be raised for meat? There can't be that many people that like veal...

p.s. I'm a vegetarian. If I wasn't, I would have asked him, but my younger self was afraid to know the answer.
I honestly don't know what would be the point of sending calves that young to auction other than just trying to get rid of them by any means necessary. Raising a early-weaned calf isn't cheap with the milk replacers and added medical costs (since they usually are prone to sickness) so they'd just be wanting them gone.

Beyond that, I can't guess as I'm not terribly familiar with the dairy industry. There is a dairy farm about an hour from me and every year, they put up a sign by their gate that advertises Holstein bull calves for sale. I don't know what they do with the ones that aren't sold by that method.

Several times I've thought about getting 4-5 of them to raise up for beef...and use them to help train my dogs in the winter. A Holstein isn't a great beef producer, but just for my family it would be good enough...and at $50-$75 each, that's a lot cheaper than an Angus calf would be.
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