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post #11 of 43 Old 05-06-2013, 09:58 PM
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There are also awesome internships you can do for Thoroughbred breeding out there as well. Trust me, you and I are interested in the same thing. I'm currently going to college for Equine Health and working/internship at a Thoroughbred breeding farm.If you go to college I would probably go to the University of Kentucky so you could work with the more established breeding farms there.
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post #12 of 43 Old 05-06-2013, 10:05 PM
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Also abusing certain performance enhancing drugs leads to punishment.

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post #13 of 43 Old 05-07-2013, 01:01 AM
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But is it really as bad as people like PETA say it is? What's yall's opinion on it?
Nothing is as bad as PETA says it is. The problem is that they are True Believers, so once they form an opinion on anything, there's nothing that will change it. It's like trying to talk to a fundamentalist about evolution.
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post #14 of 43 Old 05-07-2013, 01:20 AM
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Hmmmm I could do the long answer or the short. Short will do, after working with show jumpers, Holsteiner dressage horses at a stud, working cow-horse facility and reining horses AND being a foreman of two different racing barns in NZ who trained a minimum of thirty horses at any given time all year round I have to say a lot of people are very very very misguided when it comes to the racing industry.

I've read a few comments here, and this one stuck out:

'Its very unnatural'

The horses at the track where I worked were fed well, groomed well, turned out ALL DAY EVERY DAY EVEN IN BAD WEATHER and usually with a paddock mate. They received above and beyond veterinary care. They were hand grazed and walked every afternoon. Some went swimming. Some were hauled to the beach to run. They were spelled out in the pasture often. Racehorses are some of the most well looked after horses you will find. If they're not taken care of, then they cannot perform, the two go hand in hand.

All the 'negatives' I've seen in this thread are prevalent in nearly every other horse industry. I beg for someone to prove to me that horses are not started young or over medicated in other branches of the horse if anyone knew their salt they'd know that horses who win and some who place in races are all pee tested after a race.
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post #15 of 43 Old 05-07-2013, 03:22 AM
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There's big money in racing, so it's competitive. The horses are pushed to their limits but so are their riders. Once upon a time I wanted to jockey, I'm short and was small as a kid, there's a racing barn here so I thought 'woo I've got a shot'. Except by the time I was 13 I was 'too heavy' for their standards and have since started looking at just how much these riders push themselves to 'weigh in'. It's disgusting, and if I were to change ANYTHING about the racing industry, before the standards for the horses it would be the standards for jockeys.
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post #16 of 43 Old 05-07-2013, 06:14 AM
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there is faults in all dicaplines

the horse racers get a lot a lot more care then the average backyard horse

altho there is issues with this more joyous in aussie horse racing,

it isn't the industry of any dicapline it is the trainers and who is involved with it
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post #17 of 43 Old 05-07-2013, 12:26 PM
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The biggest beef I have with the racing industry is the age at which the horses compete. Two years old is way too young to have a rider on their back, let alone handle the stress of racing.

Racing, in my opinion, is one of the most money-motivated horse sports out there. And money is the wrong reason to be in the equine industry. I'm not saying all racing is evil, but they often don't put the horses' best interests at the top of their priorities.

This may not be the case anymore, but last I heard, anabolic steroids were legal in racing. I've also heard of horses being injected with heroin to improve their performance. I actually knew one who was seized during a drug raid on a racing barn. Again, not everyone involved with racing is a jerkwad, but enough are to give the sport a bad reputation.

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post #18 of 43 Old 05-07-2013, 01:00 PM
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And here I go again... I'm gonna have to save one of these threads and just keep linking it... I work in racing, and for a very succesful trainer...

Drugs are not tolerated. Horses are NOT racing on bute. Drug testing is a common occurrence at all race meetings and different medicines require a different amount of withdrawl... over here bute is 10 days. Drugs use is very strict and the governing bodies are forever trying to amend the rules in order to keep the animals welfare the most important aspect of the rule book. The intolerance for drugs use is very evident in the recent scandal to hit kingpins Goldolphin when Mahmood al Zarooni was banned for several years, and the horses involved banned for the entire season. This scandal has hit the entire Godolphin team as even Saeed Bin Suroor has had his yard tested (and nothing found). This should be a major eye opener for the "anti racing" contingent to show that racing is not completely ruled by money, as the BHA have taken on possibly one of the wealthiest people in the world.

I can't comment on the use of Lasix as I have been away from north america for too long. It is not used here.

Injuries - it is not in the trainers interest at all to run a lame horse. It is not in the trainers interest to train a lame horse. The trainer is paid per day for keeping the horse. If a horse were slightly lame, and the trainer pushed it the horse would likely be out for a considerable length of time - meaning the trainer loses a paying customer... does that make sense? A trainer has overheads - feed bills, bedding, ect. They are running a business and need good paying customers. Yes, they win a percentage of the horse winnings, but at lower level racing this isn't enough to keep a yard ticking over.

Care - Our horses have use of a Jacuzzi, equissage machine, daily turnout, nice fresh beds, all the hay they can eat. Blacksmith, vet, dentist, chiropractor are available at the drop of a hat. They are vaccinated, wormed and given whatever other care they need to keep them at their best. As I have said on other threads, I have worked for this trainer for several years, and I have never had a horse go racing and not return home.

And before anybody says "thats only for good horses"... its not. EVERY horse in our yard is treated exactly the same as the one in the stable next to them. EVERY horse, even those who wouldn't outrun a turtle are treated with the very best of care. The ones that don't make the grade are rehomed and most with a non racing contract. The others are either sold abroad, run to the end of their career and rehomed, and sold onto jumps racing.

The jockey club, BHA, HRI, ect are all there to try and keep racing clean. Yes you have the bad ones, inevitable in all aspects of life, but they do their best to weed them out, as was discussed above.
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post #19 of 43 Old 05-07-2013, 02:16 PM
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I have three beefs with the TB racing industry.
(1) Overworking "teen-aged" horses their hardest for the most important races
(2) Dumping the ones who couldn't make enough money onto the sports world, where there aren't enough people who want to buy them
(3) VERY inbred
A few decent trainers doesn't make up for the abusive ones, INCLUDING the owner of Barbaro.
Funny, my mother wanted to me watch him race the Kentucky Derby. I was busy (training) so I DVR'd it and watched it later. She asked what I thought, and I flippently noticed him nodding while being walked cool. That horse had injuries going into his third year, and he suffered until put down. The owners made a LOT of money from him, and don't apologize for it. Anybody here (on this forum) that did that to their horse would be heartsick.
I really wish that the best purses were for 5yo's, but that's not gonna happen.
I am sure that you do your job well, btw, and I bear you no ill will working in the industry.

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post #20 of 43 Old 05-07-2013, 02:19 PM
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That might be true, Maple, for the trainers YOU work with but I think it's naive to believe that everybody follows the rules just because the people you know and work with follow the rules. Like in any horse industry there are rotten trainers, rotten owners and rotten riders. There are even people in the industry of drug testing and coordinating who are willing to overlook certain things- you cannot speak for everybody. My old farrier worked and lived at the big track here, has seen first hand some of the abuse and doping that happens. A friend of mine had a boarding barn full of race horses boarded in the off season and there was definitely some shady business going on.

It can be aggravating to hear stories from the 'other' side when you've experienced the good care, the responsible trainers, etc. but there are two sides to every single equestrian industry.
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