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post #11 of 22 Old 06-13-2013, 05:15 PM
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She could have been being "transitional", going from winter to spring. The first couple of heats a mare can produce follicles but not actually ovulate. Sometimes these can be very painful (bucking?) and she may 'short cycle' while her body gets in sync. If she's not in heat now, next time she comes in you might track the dates and see if she's more normal. If so, then you're more likely to succeed with Mare Magic or even plain raspberry leaves, to get her regulated and calm down her heats.

Regumate is horrendously expensive and you have to be VERY careful when you handle it, it's a known carcinogen and it can play havoc with your human hormones. If you need to go this route, check with your vet about Depo Provera shots, they tend to cost less and only need to be given about every 6 weeks for a while. I've used them with good results, got a cystic mare calmed down and eventually, she stopped cycling altogether.
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She could have been being "transitional", going from winter to spring. The first couple of heats a mare can produce follicles but not actually ovulate. Sometimes these can be very painful (bucking?) and she may 'short cycle' while her body gets in sync. If she's not in heat now, next time she comes in you might track the dates and see if she's more normal. If so, then you're more likely to succeed with Mare Magic or even plain raspberry leaves, to get her regulated and calm down her heats.

Regumate is horrendously expensive and you have to be VERY careful when you handle it, it's a known carcinogen and it can play havoc with your human hormones. If you need to go this route, check with your vet about Depo Provera shots, they tend to cost less and only need to be given about every 6 weeks for a while. I've used them with good results, got a cystic mare calmed down and eventually, she stopped cycling altogether.
Thanks she is currently in heat but I will definitely keep an eye on her and hopfully your right about it possibly being the first few heats. I really dont want to deal with regumate and im sure I can't afford it on a long term basis. If all else fails I will absolutly look into the depo shots. I dont want to make any decisions about selling her too soon because I have not had her that long so I will give her some time and make some efforts to help ease the problems. Its just been a bit frustrating and it was starting to get under my skin. I guess that just goes with horse ownership
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I have mares. after the last few geldings I swore I would only have mares. My mare is a bit more opinionated and has a mind of her own. she will flirt shamelessly with a stallion and gets lazy when she's in heat. otherwise, nothing. once a month she's a lazy hussy. I wouldn't trade her for a pasture full of geldings.

there is definitely something wrong with this mare
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I would so love it if she got lazy while in heat! but no such luck, she defiantly has the hussy thing down though. I really do hope its something simple to fix because honestly when she is good she is the best horse never a dead head but safe and sane and I trust her with green people. Its like she has two extremes and is never somewhere in between she's either evil and nasty or the best horse you can hope for. So frusterating
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I know a few people who have had chips implanted in their mare's neck that prevents them from going into heat. One person did it because their mare was an absolute monster in heat... another did it because their mare would lose all of her weight in heat. Otherwise, I'd try a supplement like Mare Magic or SmartMare Harmony...

It does sound likely that it might be a pain thing. If she's sensitive and uncomfortable during her heat cycle, then she's not going to want to be touched or messed with or ridden until that discomfort is taken care of. Talk with you vet: he or she may have ideas or solutions.

Talk to your vet: I know another mare who was extremely sensitive during her heat cycle and was in constant heat for about three months. An ultrasound revealed that she had cysts on her ovaries, if I'm not mistaken. Just be empathetic and take care of your pony. :)

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I know a few people who have had chips implanted in their mare's neck that prevents them from going into heat. One person did it because their mare was an absolute monster in heat... another did it because their mare would lose all of her weight in heat. Otherwise, I'd try a supplement like Mare Magic or SmartMare Harmony...

It does sound likely that it might be a pain thing. If she's sensitive and uncomfortable during her heat cycle, then she's not going to want to be touched or messed with or ridden until that discomfort is taken care of. Talk with you vet: he or she may have ideas or solutions.

Talk to your vet: I know another mare who was extremely sensitive during her heat cycle and was in constant heat for about three months. An ultrasound revealed that she had cysts on her ovaries, if I'm not mistaken. Just be empathetic and take care of your pony. :)
Yeah if it keeps up I will have the vet out to do some tests. The weird thing is she's really not "sensitive" to touch or brush or anything like that. Its like her brain totally shuts down and she goes into ballistic mode. You can go out into her field and pet her, rub on her, and follow her around and she's perfectly fine its when you actually take her away from the field that her nastiness sets in.
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My mare is terrible when she is heat also, she "hugs" the wall and squirts whenever either of my 2 geldings are near by(which is nearly constantly) Last week I rode her and when my gelding came over(round pen is in the pasture) to the fence she stopped and leaned her butt into the fence and kept squirting and it took me 5 minutes to get her to move. I have tried mare magic(raspberry leaf), smart mare harmony, magnesium supplements and nothing has worked. When my vet comes out in the next few weeks I'm going to discuss options with her. I'm leaning towards having her "marbled" when they insert a marble so the mare thinks she is pregnant, therefore no heat cycles.
Hope you find something that works for your mare, I know how you feel.
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I looked into the hormone implants that go in the neck and because they have to be replaced every 90 (? I think) days, I didn't do it because it causes scarring.

Now, I'm going to toss this out and I'm fairly sure someone is going to take offense to it. I breed and own several mares and a stallion and until this year didn't own a gelding. I have NEVER allowed a mare or stallion to tell me when I would ride or wouldn't nor have I allowed a mare to be ****y with me. The one mare I had who ended up having cysts, was obviously in pain, so we depo'd her until she quit cycling. Side effect of the depo, she basically ended up chemically spayed. Not a bad thing, she was not a mare I used for breeding because of confo faults.

The minute a mare wants to squat and pee or lean against a fence, she's going to get spurred and hit with a whip or the romal end of my reins until her fur falls off if necessary. There is absolutely no reason to tolerate mare-ish behaviour just because they're cycling. It doesn't work for human women at work and it sure doesn't work here for the mares. I also won't tolerate a misbehaving stallion and mine all know it. Nobody realizes I'm not riding a gelding whether at a show, a trainer's facility, on a trail ride, whatever. With a stallion, I will occasionally use Vicks in their nostrils if they just can't seem to contain their exuberance around an in heat mare, but that's as far as I've ever had to go. Any further, or any real bad stallion behaviour and they'll either get sold off immediately or gelded and then sold.

Once I for sure ruled out a hormonal imbalance and/or pain in that mare, we'd have a CTJ and she'd come back singin' Gory Hallelujah or she'd get sold quick. No need to lie or say she's something she isn't, I'd sell her off as too marish for a riding horse to a breeder and be done with her.

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I looked into the hormone implants that go in the neck and because they have to be replaced every 90 (? I think) days, I didn't do it because it causes scarring.

Now, I'm going to toss this out and I'm fairly sure someone is going to take offense to it. I breed and own several mares and a stallion and until this year didn't own a gelding. I have NEVER allowed a mare or stallion to tell me when I would ride or wouldn't nor have I allowed a mare to be ****y with me. The one mare I had who ended up having cysts, was obviously in pain, so we depo'd her until she quit cycling. Side effect of the depo, she basically ended up chemically spayed. Not a bad thing, she was not a mare I used for breeding because of confo faults.

The minute a mare wants to squat and pee or lean against a fence, she's going to get spurred and hit with a whip or the romal end of my reins until her fur falls off if necessary. There is absolutely no reason to tolerate mare-ish behaviour just because they're cycling. It doesn't work for human women at work and it sure doesn't work here for the mares. I also won't tolerate a misbehaving stallion and mine all know it. Nobody realizes I'm not riding a gelding whether at a show, a trainer's facility, on a trail ride, whatever. With a stallion, I will occasionally use Vicks in their nostrils if they just can't seem to contain their exuberance around an in heat mare, but that's as far as I've ever had to go. Any further, or any real bad stallion behaviour and they'll either get sold off immediately or gelded and then sold.

Once I for sure ruled out a hormonal imbalance and/or pain in that mare, we'd have a CTJ and she'd come back singin' Gory Hallelujah or she'd get sold quick. No need to lie or say she's something she isn't, I'd sell her off as too marish for a riding horse to a breeder and be done with her.
I don't take offense to anything you had to say. I agree for the most part with everything. My mare doesn't "flirt" while im riding her in heat or out (you were probably referring to the other poster) but she does act nasty and no I don't let her get away with it I certainly correct her but to be honest it doesn't faze her a bit she still continues to do all her antics no matter how much correction or how much of a workout she gets. So it just turns into I prefer not to ride her while cycling. As far as just selling her for a breeder that is not really an option for me because my mare is a grade. I am going to at least try to sort things out because I don't just want to throw the money I have in her away. At this point there is no real selling point to her unless I can figure her issues out
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I am going to at least try to sort things out because I don't just want to throw the money I have in her away. At this point there is no real selling point to her unless I can figure her issues out
I meant, try to figure it out, try a couple of remedies and discipline. But if none of that works..... There's way too many nice horses looking for homes to deal with a snot who doesn't even want to TRY to get on the same page with you.
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