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post #11 of 53 Old 05-05-2018, 12:47 PM
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I just tested these theories, and the law of gravity is still in effect.

There's another use for the coefficient of static friction. When the horse suddenly gains horizontal momentum in a direction perpendicular to the line of travel, the coefficient of static friction attempts to keep the rider on the horse. If that frictional force is not strong enough, the coefficient of sliding friction comes into play. Since the coefficient of sliding friction is less than the coefficient of static friction, this force will not be enough to stop the eventual parting of horse and rider, especially if the horse continues in the perpendicular direction. The force of sliding friction is simply enough to allow the rider a few moments to realize that the fall is coming and to realize there is nothing that can stop it.
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@QtrBel It could be that you are both correct and that there was a glitch in the space time continuum.

Or it could involve the uncertainty principle that German physicist Werner Heisenberg discussed. (The more precisely the position of some particle is determined, the less precisely its momentum can be known, and vice versa.)

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I just tested these theories, and the law of gravity is still in effect...........
The force of sliding friction is simply enough to allow the rider a few moments to realize that the fall is coming and to realize there is nothing that can stop it.
For that moment, time slows down. The increase in time allows for your sympathetic nervous system to slowly process your upcoming and inevitable contact with the ground. Time does not, however, slow down enough to allow you to correct the sliding friction........


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@QtrBel: We need a new coefficient to express this concept mathematically: The Coefficient of Mental Amplification perhaps. Although I imagine this isn't a constant value, but different for different observers and also depending on the situation.
@mkmurphy81 : Wonderful! I particularly liked this bit: When the horse suddenly gains horizontal momentum in a direction perpendicular to the line of travel...

@Celeste : Very astute application of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle!

...now surely we need to put our heads together and invent Schrödinger's Horse...

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I think Schrödinger's Horse is for sale on Craigslist. I'm sure you've all seen him. "Bombproof, great with kids, knows the barrels, can rope off him, 3 year old stud."

If the horse bucks off his rider after an average of 15 minutes, and a perspective buyer tries him for 15 minutes (while you avoid watching), is the rider on or off the horse? Both?
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For that moment, time slows down. The increase in time allows for your sympathetic nervous system to slowly process your upcoming and inevitable contact with the ground. Time does not, however, slow down enough to allow you to correct the sliding friction........


I like this!!! And am thinking about time dilation. According to that, the greater the velocity of the horse, the more time slows down for the rider/horse combination. I've simplified the concept here, but you know what I mean. Anyhow, according to this, the greater the rider's velocity at the time of parting from the horse, the more time slows down for him/her relative to the observer's frame of reference.

Although from personal experience (yeah I know, n=1 is merely a preliminary study) the psychological component here would seem to outweigh the actual effects on time by many magnitudes...
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I think Schrödinger's Horse is for sale on Craigslist. I'm sure you've all seen him. "Bombproof, great with kids, knows the barrels, can rope off him, 3 year old stud."

If the horse bucks off his rider after an average of 15 minutes, and a perspective buyer tries him for 15 minutes (while you avoid watching), is the rider on or off the horse? Both?
Brilliant! ...Help! I'm going to rupture my diaphragm!

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You brilliant people are amazing! I know nothing about time dilation but I do know when Horsey and I part company, never my idea, time does seem to move slowly and I think of all the things I should have done, not smart enough to figure out how to gather myself for the landing and as impact draws near I think "Oh man, this is going to hurt".

I love reading your theories.
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@QtrBel It could be that you are both correct and that there was a glitch in the space time continuum.
Ah, and here I was thinking since the horse in question is a draft, perhaps the human was suffering delusions from altitude sickness..


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Ah, and here I was thinking since the horse in question is a draft, perhaps the human was suffering delusions from altitude sickness..
LOL! That is great!!

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