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post #11 of 27 Old 09-23-2013, 10:28 AM
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I wish, in some respects, I had dug around for info on Dubai. I would have been 90% more likely to find the reason as to why he was cheap ish for what he was. But I wouldn't have had the amazing time with him.

Digging is fine, but keeping your behind covered with a paperwork trail is so important. Even if they are your friend or colleague, get a written bill of sale or contract! Always!

Now the previous owner may eventually get in touch to see that her old horse is doing well. But if she doesn't, no worries. What happened is nothing to do with you, and if neither of the previous two have a written agreement about the buy back, there is very little to be done. Also, if this woman wanted to do something, you would have heard by now, not six months down the line!
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post #12 of 27 Old 09-23-2013, 11:18 AM
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Y'all are missing the point entirely.

The OP may have had the horse for 3 years but the previous owner just found out about her supposed friend's betrayal less than a year ago, so to her it's a fairly recent occurrence. This isn't about the OP, it's about the previous owner's anger at the person to whom she gave the horse and trusted to do the right thing if they no longer wanted or couldn't afford to keep him.

I'd say the previous owner is being quite the adult about the whole issue, and is doing the rational thing by not taking it out on the OP. She's hurt, shocked and feeling totally betrayed by someone she trusted. This has nothing to do with the OP, and she doesn't owe the OP any communication at all.

I find those of you questioning the previous owner's commitment to this animal rather petty, as you haven't taken her feelings into consideration in this whole mess. She trusted someone, and they took her trust and stomped it into the dirt.

OP, sometimes we shouldn't turn over rocks because we won't like what we find under them. I think you've just learned that lesson.
Agreed here. I bought my horse from a lovely young woman with too many horses, and she loved my guy dearly. She has a first right of refusal in our contract, but I doubt the day will ever come when I want to sell him. We kept in contact for about a year or so (I've had him for 7 years) but life got in the way after that. I found out that maybe half a year or so after we last spoke her husband died, and she was in quite a bind to get her life together. I have no doubt that she still cares about my horse's well-being, but what is a previous owner supposed to do? Get monthly updates on every horse that you've ever sold? It's unreasonable to assume that she doesn't care because she hasn't followed up regularly on a horse she thought was in a great home.

I personally wouldn't worry about the situation unless something comes of it. She has had knowledge of the horse's location for multiple months now- that is in your favor. Just make sure that you keep proof of you paying for his regular expenses- she would probably back off at the idea of having to reimburse you for those, and it does show that you have been his primary caregiver for awhile now.
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post #13 of 27 Old 09-23-2013, 11:25 AM
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I had quite a different experience with my horses previous owner. After I bought Littlefoot I was looking for pictures of him on the previous owners facebook site (she had a kids horse camp, and had made a fb page) anyway I came upon a message from someone saying they were glad the person I bought him from was happy with him. I thought about it for a while and then I emailed the lady and found out that she had owned him from birth and she was able to fill me in on his whole background and we were both very happy that he ended up with me.
Then a year later I bought another apopaloosa from the same person I bought Littlefoot from. A short time later I was in touch with Littlefoots origonal owner (just sending her a picture of him and his new pasture mate). Well come to find out the origonal owner of Littlefoot owned the new appy I bought as well and I found out a lot of things that I had been told were incorrect. It was her that told me he had an accident when he was younger that left him blind in one eye. You would never ever know it to look at him but I had the vet check and she was correct. She was also able to give me very treasured baby pictures of both my boys and as she had started them and broke them she is an invaluable source when i have training related questions. I am so glad I took a chance and emailed her but I was very fortunate and I can see how some people might not want to find out the history of their horse.
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post #14 of 27 Old 09-23-2013, 11:32 AM
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Legally, it's unlikely the previous owner has any claim on the horse. Once you sell a horse you no longer have any say in where it goes, and while you can request that the horse be given/sold back to you, there's nothing legally binding in that.

I had a similar experience when I bought my horse. I got him from his breeder because the woman who had originally purchased him had gone through a messy divorce and couldn't keep him financially. The breeder gave me her e-mail address so I could ask questions, and her first response was that she was a bit in shock because she had always planned on buying him back once she was financially stable again. She and the breeder must have had some sort of verbal agreement to this effect, but it didn't matter- a buyer (me) showed up and he sold the horse when he had the chance. I feel bad for his original owner because I know this is a special horse, and especially now that I've had him for a while I'd hate to lose him in circumstances like that, but at that point I had already agreed to buy him and I certainly don't regret it.
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post #15 of 27 Old 09-23-2013, 06:07 PM Thread Starter
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I am feeling a bit better... thanks all. I was afraid somehow legally she could take him back, and I would be devastated.
When she was first told that I now have Sam, she told the coworker that she was anxious to hear how he was doing, even dug out his registration papers... but apparently it ate at her, and she never called me. ( I could care less about his registration papers, and I can get his bloodlines from the national association if I am curious) My coworker is going to share my Facebook pictures with her, so she can see how well cared for and loved he is- she thinks it will help.
At this point I am only curious about some health issues ( the vet we use is hers as well, but they cant share any info on him, although they have it all...) and would like to know a bit about what he has done. He was clearly a very very loved horse, so she did a good job raising him.
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post #16 of 27 Old 09-23-2013, 06:35 PM
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I do not have much experience here with horses, as my baby's previous owner neither loved him or wanted him after her fat @33 trained him poorly, put him around barrels in increasingly horrific bits then dumped him in a rocky, wooded pasture when he became too aggressive to handle, but I'm pretty sure she can't touch him with a ten foot pole unless you let her. Relax, I'm sure it will be fine :)
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post #17 of 27 Old 09-23-2013, 08:31 PM
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Could you send the person a picture of your boy with a letter through the other person? Make it as fluffy as you can, ask her to not be mad at you. I assume you plan on keeping him, correct? Assure her that he is safe, happy, won't be "passed around" or shipped off to the unknown.
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post #18 of 27 Old 09-23-2013, 09:50 PM
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I agree with LadyDreamer. It might be worth you contacting her. I had a person who was very upset that I had adopted a cat. They had concerns about adopting the cat out to me. I sent them an email with a picture of the cat and a few paragraphs talking about how much I really like the cat, how funny he is and how I am really thankful that I adopted this cat. The woman's attitude towards me did a complete 180 and she became very friendly. In the end, she just wanted to make sure the cat had a good home.

I think it would not hurt your case to send her a note or email with pictures and a few paragraphs of you gushing about Sam. For one, it will reassure her that her horse is in a good situation. The reason she probably had first right of refusal was to prevent Sam from ending up in a bad situation. While this may not be the situation she had imagined, its a great situation for the horse. Which may make her think twice about asking for Sam. It might take her thoughts from "that stupid woman sold my horse" to "that stupid woman sold my horse but Sam has a person who loves him and while its not my ideal situation its a good situation for Sam".

If she wanted the horse, she probably would have asked as soon as she found out. In most cases, you would simply state that she owed you for care for the last few years and the horse would be yours in sweat equity. In the end a horse is property and you have been taking care of her property for 3 years.
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post #19 of 27 Old 09-24-2013, 12:45 AM
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My recent situation is similar - I decided to sell my horse, listed him online and up popped his 'owner' who leased him out years ago and had no idea he wasn't still with the original person who she could no longer contact. He got 'given' to a couple of people before I brought him 2 years ago. She is going to come and visit him but has said she is happy for him to stay with me (Which is good because I wouldn't have given him back). Since I also found out that he is 25 and not 19 I am no longer selling him and am putting him in to semi-retirement.

I have no idea what the legal situation would be if they had demanded him back as no one has any papers for him. I figured that if they had really wanted to track him down they could have done something in the 4 years its been since they heard anything about him. Hopefully it works out ok for you, I am looking forward to finding out more information about him and seeing some photos of him in his younger days.
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post #20 of 27 Old 09-24-2013, 02:08 AM
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I don't think this woman wants her horse back, most probably she's afraid that you aren't treating the horse well, or that you'll sell him to unknown people and he'll disappear.

I think she didn't contact you because she thinks she cannot get the horse back no matter what, and she doesn't think she can handle actually knowing the horse is in bad hands and she cannot do anything about it.

Write her a mail, reassure her that you care for the horse and that you won't sell him to any random buyer.
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