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post #1 of 8 Old 07-04-2013, 08:20 PM Thread Starter
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Good QH Stallions

Is War Leo, Boston Mac, Two Eyed Jack, and Three Dimension Zip good stallions to have in a bloodline?

And what about the TB 'Three Bars'

I know War Leo was a leading sire of cutting horses, and Boston Mac was a racing QH, but what about the rest?

If a horse has all of these in their bloodlines, would they have good bloodlines? (I know many people have different opinions, so please share yours)

Sorry if this is in the wrong topics catagory...

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I'm my opinion, I would not want a variety of different stallions in the pedigree. What I mean is, if I'm going to breed for something, I am going to breed for a discipline in specific.

You looking at cutting, racing and pleasure lines all rolled into one. more likely then not, that horse is going to be mediocer at best.

Figure out what you want to do with the resulting foal, and breed for that...as well as what is going to compliment and BETTER your mare.

I have a loaded race bred mare. I would not cross her with pleasure lines or an "all arounder" I would be looking to cross her with another rrace bred stallion, or perhaps a nice cutting stallion to add more "stop and catty" action to the speed she already has.

Pick a discipline that would suit your mare, and find a stallion to suit your mare. on top of that, youll need to make sure that the stallion owners will breed grades. Many TOP quality stallions will not. And then that brings up the question of if breeding to a mediocer stallion would be wise in this economy.
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I am not talking about a stallion to breed to my mare. I was looking up the bloodlines of a gelding... sorry I should have made that clear.

So would this be good bloodlines for an all around horse?
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Yeah, I would say they're decent but not top-notched. In my books those horses are kinda old and I'd be looking at more of the 'in' stallions.

It also depends how recent these stallions are in the horse's pedigree. If they're 3+ gens back I wouldn't bother looking at them. I would only pay attention to the first 2 gens of a horse's pedigree.

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Three Dimension Zip in in the 2nd generation, the others are further back... what about Dimensions Cowboy and Holy Moly Nic? That is the sire and grand sire.
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Some of the Three Bar lines are really good, but he's probably a ways back on your papers. The ones coming down from Triple Chick are what I've been around the most.

Two-Eyed Jack lines make nice, dependable horses that will go all day on a trail ride, but they don't tend to be the type that they want to get anywhere in a hurry. 6 of the horses in my herd go back to him and they are all just easy horses to own.

As far as Boston Mac goes I don't know if it was from his lines or just not a good combination between the sire and dam but a good friend of mine who is a QH breeder has a stallion by Boston Mac. He should have really gelded him by his second crop of foals but he put very well put together and good looking babies on the ground so you know how that goes. Of course I don't know about each and every foal he sired but of the ones I do know...3 ended up being rideable horses. And that's not saying they don't have issues, I know, I have one of the three(-: 2 were sold to stock contractors and went on the rodeo circuit as saddle broncs. 1 I know for sure was sold to a meat man. Then there's 4 or 5 more that went to auction (because they were dangerous) but I don't know if some unfortunate individual ended up with them or if they went into the kill pen.

I hate to put all that on Boston Mac because I never saw him in person, but I did know the mare that my friends stallion was out of (Triple Chick lines by the way) and she was a nice mare and her other foals made pretty nice contesting horses. So...take it for what it's worth, which is just my limited knowledge of only one Boston Mac son.
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The only ones that I know a whole lot about are Boston Mac and Two Eyed Jack. IMHO, they were both great producers of nice all around horses.

My Dad rode a lot of TEJ horses when he was working for Billy Allen in the 70's. He said, like Grace, that they were dependable horses but didn't get in too much of a hurry for anything LOL. We used to own 2 of them and they were both suitable for kids/beginners even though one was a stud (I did ride him some but we sold him when I was about 10).

As for Boston Mac, my Dad worked as a trainer for a higher end Appaloosa breeding farm in Kansas and they had several horses that were by Boston Mac. They were all really nice horses but the first one to pop up in my mind was Boston Moon. As a 2 year old, he got like 8th out of 100 horses at the Appaloosa national show against horses that were 3 and 4 years old.

Truthfully, I really prefer the older lines to many of the "in" stallions these days. So many horses have breeding that is just so specialized that it can be difficult to find a nice all-arounder.
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I prefer the older lines as well. There are still some really nice horses with them closer up in the pedigree. All of my quarters are heavy on the Three Bar breeding (mostly Impressive) X Doc Bar mares except my little racing quarter mare Everything practically goes back to Three Bar. Good dose of Jet Deck there as well who is Three Bars too. My Paint mare is Boston Mac x Impressive mare. I wouldn't trade her for the world. She's our rescue. Came out of an abusive situation and while I wouldn't say BM horses are dangerous I will say without the right handling they can be. (your)Personality plays a big part in how these horses act or turn out. That's my two cents anyway. The more I heard about this mare the more I regretted my decision to take her on. My original plans were to get her in shape and resell her. Now you'd have to offer a fair amt for me to turn her loose. I had one of my students out to ride her once we got her weight up. My 9 y.o. rides her bareback all over the place. ETA and yes Impressive isn't an older line but it figures heavy in most of the breeding in this area. You are hard pressed to find a horse without it if it was bred around here.

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