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post #11 of 40 Old 05-20-2013, 07:14 PM Thread Starter
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Being registered means diddly squat when it comes to diseases, joint problems or health. There is no scientific proof that a registered horse has less health issues than an unpapered one, IT'S A NON ISSUE!
I raised beagles for over 25 years. Drove all over the country to breed to the stud I though would produce on my bitch line. Here are a few of my observations.

I've taken very good papered bitches and bread them to some of the best studs in the country. They have 3 pups, and given the very best of care 2 die. A grade bitch, wormy as all get out, and never seen a vet, will have 13 under the front porch steps, raise them in the dirt and all 13 will live....

Breed the best to the best and there's no guarantee the offspring will be of the same quality. I've probably bread 150 or more beagles, had 3 truly outstanding ones, about twenty pretty good ones, and the rest were culls and couldn't run a rabbit 100 yards.

That said, after it's all said and done, I think I had more fun with the 25 dollar dogs I started with.

No doubt to reach the pinnacle in competition registered stock will get you there quicker because it's carefully bread for a purpose.

If you want to go to the Olympics then a grade horse isn't going to get you there. Same goes for the Kentucky Derby. If that's what you want the the answer is no. Can you have fun and show in most local shows? You bettcha....but as the level of competition rises you'll most likely be excluded due to lack of papers.

Many grade horses are out of registered stock to begin with. You can't ride papers.

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So when looking a grade horse how do you tell a good conformation, the same as a any horse? Are there things to be aware of, or red flags?
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Yep, conformation and such should be just like any breed. But here's where grades can get a lil tricky, the breed doesn't always show through very well. Like say someone has an unknown or they think its a walking horse, if your desired trait is being gated, you may or may not get way ya want just by looking at a horse. That's where riding and such comes in to buying.

Same as any horse though. Not all bulldoggy QH want to chase cows, some TB can't run.......

A well put together sound horse is just that and any desired trait are horse by horse.
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post #15 of 40 Old 05-20-2013, 07:25 PM Thread Starter
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@ phly can you look at the video below and give me your opinion I know looking at video isn't the best way to look at a horse you need to see it with your own eyes
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post #16 of 40 Old 05-20-2013, 07:26 PM
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Looks like a great horse to me. Maybe a little rough, but with work and adequate training I think hell be pretty good. What are you wanting to show him in?

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My gelding is a grade draft cross. I wouldn't trade him for every single registered horse in the world. He's got a great mind, never had a health issue (knock on wood), has good conformation, and is gorgeous as all get-out (had someone offer me $5K for him as a barely broke 2.5yo). He's never once colicked or come up lame.

My old BO used to say "You can't ride papers" and it's true.

My best friend's Arab gelding that is registered with the AHA and is bred extremely well (several lines to Bask) is a conformational train wreck. Sweet as can be, level headed (for an Arab ), but she had to have a custom saddle made for him because of all his faults. He's also allergic to literally everything except for flies. This includes being allergic to hay. He also HAS to be shod or he comes up lame. I love that gelding and he's a phenomenal endurance horse, but he's not one I'd probably pick out of a field (if you knew nothing about him other than his health and conformation issues).

Judge the horse on the horse. Conformation, temperament, soundness. Papers don't mean squat.

ETA: Just watched the video. I'd snatch that guy up in a heartbeat! He needs a little finishing, but the fact that he was listening to a child that well makes him worth his weight in gold (figuratively speaking, of course). He's the kind of horse I'd buy for my (non-horsey) boyfriend (willing and with what looks like a good foundation on him).
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Looks like a great horse to me. Maybe a little rough, but with work and adequate training I think hell be pretty good. What are you wanting to show him in?
Well I've been riding for about 10 years and am looking for a project horsem. i ride mainly qhs but i have ridden drafts to ponies, and from ages 3-27. I ride English so hus, and I want to do showmanship and trail an maybe if I am courageous maybe a low hunter and dressage endless possibles hahah : ) so an all-rounder is my goal hopefully, then I would lease him out while I'm away at college in three years :) haha I have my next three years planed out
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My gelding is a grade draft cross. I wouldn't trade him for every single registered horse in the world. He's got a great mind, never had a health issue (knock on wood), has good conformation, and is gorgeous as all get-out (had someone offer me $5K for him as a barely broke 2.5yo). He's never once colicked or come up lame.

My old BO used to say "You can't ride papers" and it's true.

My best friend's Arab gelding that is registered with the AHA and is bred extremely well (several lines to Bask) is a conformational train wreck. Sweet as can be, level headed (for an Arab ), but she had to have a custom saddle made for him because of all his faults. He's also allergic to literally everything except for flies. This includes being allergic to hay. He also HAS to be shod or he comes up lame. I love that gelding and he's a phenomenal endurance horse, but he's not one I'd probably pick out of a field (if you knew nothing about him other than his health and conformation issues).

Judge the horse on the horse. Conformation, temperament, soundness. Papers don't mean squat.

ETA: Just watched the video. I'd snatch that guy up in a heartbeat! He needs a little finishing, but the fact that he was listening to a child that well makes him worth his weight in gold (figuratively speaking, of course). He's the kind of horse I'd buy for my (non-horsey) boyfriend (willing and with what looks like a good foundation on him).
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Thanks for your reply! And of your experiences :) I ride at a barn where all of the horses of registered, but I personally don't care if a horse has papers sure it would be nice but not heading to any big competition anytime soon I just want to have a horse to have fun with an Learn off of. :) I had a horse at my barn that was allergic and other stuff I felt terrible for the horse. Also thank you for looking at the video, And for your comment. Do you think it's worth it getting a vet check after I get him (if I do ) ? There is a two week trial. I think personally he would make a great prospect.
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It's worth getting a vet check on ANY horse, registered or not.

I didn't get one with my gelding (exactly), but he was gelded a month after I bought him (as a fresh 2yo), so I knew he'd be checked out by the vet when he was gelded.

I like that horse as a prospect because he has a good foundation on him, so he can go anywhere and be finished however you want. How old is he and do they have any idea what breed(s) he is? He looks kind of appendix (QH/TB) to me.

Also, the term "grade" doesn't necessicarily mean a mutt or cross breed. A grade can be purebred with all it's parentage known, but the breeder never bothered to register the horse.
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