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post #41 of 66 Old 12-02-2010, 02:55 PM
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Equal does not have to mean the same. Men and woman are different and they should be treated as such. It may be difficult for a woman to run a construction crew but it will be just as difficult for a man to run a daycare. To expect men and women to behave the same is unrealistic and unnatural.
And I'm not talking about that happening. I'm talking about them being treated equal where they are equal!
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Equal does not have to mean the same. Men and woman are different and they should be treated as such. It may be difficult for a woman to run a construction crew but it will be just as difficult for a man to run a daycare. To expect men and women to behave the same is unrealistic and unnatural.
I agree with this.
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post #43 of 66 Old 12-02-2010, 03:02 PM
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I think it's quite rare that women with equal qualifications actually get paid less than a man. That's not how it is reported in the press but I also know enough about statistics to know that you can make them say whatever you want. In some cases women cost employers a great deal more money than a man. My wife has had 3 babies while I have worked and I missed a total of 6 days. One woman I worked with had a baby and was out from work for two weeks before the baby was born and 4 weeks after. When a woman is holding a critical position this puts a financial burden on the employer. The woman was a great worker and made a great contribution to the company but she cost alot of money with her pregnancy leave.

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post #44 of 66 Old 12-02-2010, 03:38 PM
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Can't men do that too?

Horses are scared of two things... Things that move and things that don't.
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post #45 of 66 Old 12-02-2010, 03:53 PM
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The only point I wanted to make was that feminists are not bad. And that's my last word in this thread.
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post #46 of 66 Old 12-02-2010, 04:32 PM
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Great!
And regarding the author of the linked post, he's probably just an attention starved troll really.
I doubt QH's are NOT a breed.

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post #47 of 66 Old 12-02-2010, 04:56 PM Thread Starter
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I'm not a feminist, as in I don't run around yelling "LET'S STICK TOGETHER SISTERS" unless our whole gender would be threatened to have a civil right removed.

Other than that, I perceive myself as an individual first and secondly as part of a gender. I can stick up for myself, defend myself, earn myself a job and a reputation without hiding behind some world level metaphorical vagina.

Hopefully this explanation clarified some misunderstandings.
Exactly what I meant!!!
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It would seem from his views that Mr Lee Stanek and the way in which he writes comes from a byegone era. The clues suggest he is by birth Czech.
I know of few modern men who would shares his views or would share his attitudes towards women in equitation. Ladies, don't get angry - just smile.

However don't ignore the website : Horsemanpro.com
The articles on Stanek's site help explain many of the principles of classical dressage and most are informative enough to be worthy of reading.
Also on the site are lots of photos of the Kladruby stud in Czechoslovakia in 1940, which was located SE of Prague the capital.

Incidentally be aware that when Hitler ordered his armies to invade Russia, in 1942 his prime source of transport was the horse, some of which were supplied by the Czechs. They pulled the wagons and they carried the cavalry - partly because there were few hard roads in Western Russia. As the war turned against the Germans, when the troops retreated they ate those horses which had survived the artillery and the weather.

My guess is that over the next 50 years as the nations of the central European countries such as The Ukraine, Poland, Latvia, Lithuania and not forgetting Russia become wealthier, we are going to hear more about their horses. We have already seen on this forum some photos of some superb horses thanks to Victoria - who is Lithuanian.

This man Stanek, if he wrote any of the articles, knows a lot about horses, and he might well be an interesting man to talk to - even if his views about women are a little offensive. Maybe he will come to learn better after all he is probably an American now, even if he was not born one.

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I went and looked on his website.
I apologize, he is not a troll. He is however quite depressed, nostalgic and frustrated. And it's not just women that upset him but also: the new breeds, the old breeds and the new breeding, everything about these times equitation seems to tick him off.

Basically "in the past" there were healthy sturdy horses, with manes that shined without additives and vitamins, useful and used, disciplined students and disciplining masters and now everything is turning into some endless show parade....and the girls are everywhere!

At least that's what I managed to understand from some of his views expressed in view articles + the pictures commentaries.

Please, do check out his picture gallery. There are some breathtakingly beautiful archive photos in there, very interesting.

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post #50 of 66 Old 12-03-2010, 12:40 AM
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Equal does not have to mean the same. Men and woman are different and they should be treated as such. It may be difficult for a woman to run a construction crew but it will be just as difficult for a man to run a daycare. To expect men and women to behave the same is unrealistic and unnatural.
Wow I am so hardcore offended you don't even know. As if one's reproductive organs really had anything to do with their ability to manage people in a (presumably) dangerous environment vs a "home" setting.

I wasn't even going to check back on this thread to avoid narrow minded comments like that. Oh *pat pat* it's OK women, you can go take care of the children and leave the real work to the men. Lets just make blanket presumptions based on oppressive social gender roles and apply them widely across more than 50% of the population. Cool!

And BTW -- anyone who defends the "I'm not a feminist" knee jerk by associating "feminist" with someone who is insane and ridiculous is only contributing to the problem. *shrug*

There was a time when it was "natural" that people of a particular color were considered second class or only capable of a certain sort of work or lifestyle. Really, it was in their best interest that we keep them locked into a specific social role. Or not.

OK I think I will ban myself from this thread so I don't get depressed with backwards comments like the one above.



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