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post #51 of 66 Old 12-03-2010, 12:49 AM
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I did not mean to greatly offend you but that is the reality. I perhaps could have used a better analogy but the fact remains that men and women have different gender inherent strenghts.

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I did not mean to greatly offend you but that is the reality. I perhaps could have used a better analogy but the fact remains that men and women have different gender inherent strenghts.
PEOPLE have different inherent strengths. People are shaped by many things and someone's sex (hormones/whatever physical characteristics you want to associate with their sex) are only a small part in that. Anyone who really draws their entire life plan, personality, strengths and skills from the bits between their legs is probably not someone of very strong character.

There are plenty of people in both sexes who have the characteristic of the opposite "gendered" characteristics you may expect. Before you go off from your privileged and ignorant perspective and declare things "facts" and tell people they are "just outta luck" for life because of their sex maybe you should learn a bit about "gender" and how it really is a social construct with very little basis in physical sex or biology at all.



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So you think that it's just a coincidence that so many more women are in proffesions like teaching and nursing and so many more men are engineers and builders. I'm not saying that my testicles make me handy around the house but because I was born a boy I was expected to play with blocks and toy guns instead of dolls. Women are generally more nuturing where as men are more assertive. That is a general statement and if you don't want to believe it then feel free not to but that is certainly my observations.

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post #54 of 66 Old 12-03-2010, 02:00 AM
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Equal does not have to mean the same. Men and woman are different and they should be treated as such. It may be difficult for a woman to run a construction crew but it will be just as difficult for a man to run a daycare. To expect men and women to behave the same is unrealistic and unnatural.

Agreed, and shock horror I am an independent female. But if I need a bottle opened and I cannot manage it I give it to him as he is stronger. If I have a fence post I cannot put in, I wait for him, and I am no baby, my biceps are huge for my frame.

It is insane to think we are the same, we can be equal, but we are not the same.

My husband is strong, can cope with anything, and is easy going. I am not as strong, cope with a lot, and am not easy going. But I am ok with that, I do not feel that I have to be like him to prove my own self worth.
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post #55 of 66 Old 12-03-2010, 03:29 AM
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We're not meant to compete, we're meant to click and match, like the puzzle pieces.

Comparing men and women from the exactly same perspective it's kind of like comparing apples and pears and getting mighty ****ed off when someone notices they have different shapes.

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How did I miss out on this thread? =P

The guy is a little ridiculous. I liked the comment about his girlfriend breaking up with him.

On feminism. Hmm. I'm not a feminist. I'm all for fairness, equality, yadda yadda yadda. But men and women are NOT the same. Kevin is exactly right. I'm not going to get my panties in a twist over his comments. After all, wouldn't that be more or less proving that women cannot handle reality/life/big situations because we are too emotional? =P

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post #57 of 66 Old 12-03-2010, 08:37 AM
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Equal does not have to mean the same. Men and woman are different and they should be treated as such. It may be difficult for a woman to run a construction crew but it will be just as difficult for a man to run a daycare. To expect men and women to behave the same is unrealistic and unnatural.
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We're not meant to compete, we're meant to click and match, like the puzzle pieces.

Comparing men and women from the exactly same perspective it's kind of like comparing apples and pears and getting mighty ****ed off when someone notices they have different shapes.
Great posts!
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*Gives Deerly a hug*

I agree with her totally. However I do understand the points presented by kevin and others about our strengths. However this brings about a whole nature vs nurture argument I just don't want to go into myself. Regardless of what the majority of men or women do, I think it is quite possible for women to cross male boundaries and men to cross the female boundaries.

I am a feminist. I am not an insane activist, I don't think women are better than men. Frankly very little of my feminism activism comes down to pay or job roles as I agree with Deerlys comments on gender. I get more upset by the hyper-sexualized images of women and issues in relation to it. But that's another argument.

Feminism is not about saying we are the same. We are not and I wouldn't want to be.
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post #59 of 66 Old 12-04-2010, 12:21 PM
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I have a problem when I male gets paid more than a female when they are doing the exact same job! And I agree with dove. There are more girly men and more manly women, it comes down to personality and the way we grew up..

I am really independent, and pretty strong, so I like to do things my way so I do it myself. And trust me I would rather die of tiredness before I ask for help.

And I suck around kids.. I don't like them at all!

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post #60 of 66 Old 12-04-2010, 06:09 PM
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Women are responsible for the abuse of horses? It wasn't a woman but my step father who decided that instead of making the fence where the pony couldn't get out but to take part of the swing set attach it to the poor guys halter so he couldn't get his head up and no way he could lay down. I'm the one who through a fit and my mother and I pulled it off. Ya that was all our fault.
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