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post #61 of 66 Old 12-05-2010, 07:58 PM
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It would seem from his views that Mr Lee Stanek and the way in which he writes comes from a byegone era. The clues suggest he is by birth Czech.
I know of few modern men who would shares his views or would share his attitudes towards women in equitation. Ladies, don't get angry - just smile.

However don't ignore the website : Horsemanpro.com
The articles on Stanek's site help explain many of the principles of classical dressage and most are informative enough to be worthy of reading.
Also on the site are lots of photos of the Kladruby stud in Czechoslovakia in 1940, which was located SE of Prague the capital.

Incidentally be aware that when Hitler ordered his armies to invade Russia, in 1942 his prime source of transport was the horse, some of which were supplied by the Czechs. They pulled the wagons and they carried the cavalry - partly because there were few hard roads in Western Russia. As the war turned against the Germans, when the troops retreated they ate those horses which had survived the artillery and the weather.

My guess is that over the next 50 years as the nations of the central European countries such as The Ukraine, Poland, Latvia, Lithuania and not forgetting Russia become wealthier, we are going to hear more about their horses. We have already seen on this forum some photos of some superb horses thanks to Victoria - who is Lithuanian.

This man Stanek, if he wrote any of the articles, knows a lot about horses, and he might well be an interesting man to talk to - even if his views about women are a little offensive. Maybe he will come to learn better after all he is probably an American now, even if he was not born one.
YES! I hide behind you.

Very little of what Lee says relates to me and what I do. I like him, he is a really nice guy, I have talked to him. I would be honered for him to trim my horses feet . I have read his entire website, and when I read some of the things that he said are hard on a horse and why, I litterally thought "Oh, I didnt know that!".

He has his own website, its free to read, you can take it or leave it. He's not on a forum repetedly telling people hows things are supossed to be done. And you arent spending your money on his writings just to find out you think hes "crazy". He doesnt want people to "Believe" what he says. It's more about how you RELATE to what he says- How does what he says relate to what you have seen in life? I know that half of his words have or had related to my life, and what I have personally seen.

BTW that is not his latest post on his website. This: NEW is his newest :)
THIS ONE is my personal favorite!(From experience.)

It's Like a Swift Kick In The Pants!!!

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post #62 of 66 Old 12-06-2010, 03:23 AM
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I only heard about him thanks to this thread so...thanks again! :)

To be honest he has a lot of fair and unfair points. But it would be a shame to throw away anything that a person can offer as knowledge because some parts of his / her ideas tick us off.

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As suggested by you, I have read the article 'THIS ONE'. I agree Lee makes a lot of very valid points especially that many injuries incurred by horses occur because the owner was ignorant of what might happen in certain circumstances. Too many horses are over weight. Too many suffer lameness because of poor riding. But luckily most horse owners care about their animals and they will eventually listen to advice, so long as the advice is given in an appropriate manner.

I too have noticed that the vet is reluctant to tell all the truth about what he recognises in an injury - partly of course because the owner is the customer and not the horse. The vet does not want to offend the human who is the payer of his fee.

On this Forum, several of the old hands try repeatedly to tell, in a round about way, young inexperienced owners that just because they can ride that does not mean they know how to care for the animal they ride.

Unfortunately Lee does himself no favours by his choice of words. Certainly he is no diplomat. This particular thread has attracted an enormous readership. Very few threads draw in 62 written posts. Personally I would like to read more of Mr Stanek's ideas but I think before he puts finger to keyboard he has need of the services of a censor. The biggest segment of readership on this forum are young American horse women and 'Hell hath no Fury' like an American horsewoman scorned.

Of course we are forgetting something - Lee Stanek did not himself write on this Forum - which is a pity because it would be good for him to read much of what has been said by Forum members about him. To write in the style he does calls for a pretty thick skin on his part - but much of what he has said needs saying.

If you know the man, show him the thread.

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This thread has been an interesting read. I personally couldn't really get through the linked post, I actually found it quite boring, I've mostly been reading the comments about feminism.
It frustrates me, too, how people see feminism today. I am absolutely a feminist, but then I guess since I'm a dyke this is expected
I am the furthest thing on Earth from an extremist and I do not think that women are better than men or that men are evil, I do not get easily offended by people's views about women (I also know plenty of women who hold the opposite views about men!) or sexist jokes (so long as jokes can go both ways!)

I guess personally I feel very distant from any concept of gender overall. I don't think that sex or gender should ever be taken into consideration when it comes to these sorts of things. I think ability to, as previously mentioned, manage a construction site or run a daycare varies on a person-to-person basis. Sure, it does seem to be more often that men and women tend to gravitate towards each of those as described, but I don't think that matters at all.
I know of way too many people who are restrained by their gender roles and I believe strongly in society overcoming that. That is why I am a feminist.
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Grey Ray
As suggested by you, I have read the article 'THIS ONE'. I agree Lee makes a lot of very valid points especially that many injuries incurred by horses occur because the owner was ignorant of what might happen in certain circumstances. Too many horses are over weight. Too many suffer lameness because of poor riding. But luckily most horse owners care about their animals and they will eventually listen to advice, so long as the advice is given in an appropriate manner.

I too have noticed that the vet is reluctant to tell all the truth about what he recognises in an injury - partly of course because the owner is the customer and not the horse. The vet does not want to offend the human who is the payer of his fee.

On this Forum, several of the old hands try repeatedly to tell, in a round about way, young inexperienced owners that just because they can ride that does not mean they know how to care for the animal they ride.

Unfortunately Lee does himself no favours by his choice of words. Certainly he is no diplomat. This particular thread has attracted an enormous readership. Very few threads draw in 62 written posts. Personally I would like to read more of Mr Stanek's ideas but I think before he puts finger to keyboard he has need of the services of a censor. The biggest segment of readership on this forum are young American horse women and 'Hell hath no Fury' like an American horsewoman scorned.

Of course we are forgetting something - Lee Stanek did not himself write on this Forum - which is a pity because it would be good for him to read much of what has been said by Forum members about him. To write in the style he does calls for a pretty thick skin on his part - but much of what he has said needs saying.

If you know the man, show him the thread.

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He is fully aware of what people think of his writings. This is not the first discussion thread on a forum about them. Not even on this forum.

Not all of his articles are written in that manner either.

If you would like him to see this thread, his email address is on the website. Present it however you think will be most productive. More than likely, he will just tell you that he has heard it all.
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GreyRay.
I have written enough in criticism of how the man expresses himself. From now on I'll just stand back, watch and learn. These days I prefer my horse to be well schooled, well mannered, self confident and calm. I have already fallen off too often.
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