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post #11 of 19 Old 03-14-2018, 02:31 PM
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Golly , I hate it when people do that to a horse; run him always in certain spots out on the trail, and always, for example, up that long hill toward home.
Do that a few times and the horse expects it, and the the next rider has to either got with the horse's program, or get busy doing something else.


Like @mmshiro said, I think a person could try a lot of things.

I might also stop and turn the rushing horse around and go the other direction for a bit. but, again, it takes TIME to change that bad habit, (that's why I get som angry at the person/s who put that bad habit in there in the first place).

You would turn him around and go the other direction every single time he pushed through your rein that said 'walk!". every time. make him walk the opposite direction for a bit, then turn around, and if he then immediately rushes off, turn back again. He will soon learn that trot unasked for = turn around.

You would have to commit to a total walking ride for several times, though.

Or, canter him some, but only going away from home, then implement the above strategy going home.
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@mmshiro This is precisely the method that I use to correct a horse that rushes to any particular spot. Trying to run to the trailer after a trail ride? Sure, go for it, we'll do rollbacks at the trailer when we get there. Want to run back to the barn? Okay fine, let's do that, but when we get to the barn we'll so rollbacks and serpentines at maximum warp. In my experience, even the most stubborn horses will throw in the towel after 2 or 3 days of that. If you are effective in your correction, the horse will remember the correction. Of course if you're not effective, yeah, you'll have to do it over and over and over again. That's a dead giveaway that you're not being effective.

When I correct the horse at the place he wants to rush back to, I will do rollbacks the first time for about 10 minutes. Then we'll ride away from the barn/trailer/whatever and rest. When he's got his air back we'll go back to the place he wants to be. If he rushes, I'll let him, but then we're going to do rollbacks for 15 minutes. Every time I have to do rollbacks, the time is increased by 5 minutes. I've yet to have a single horse rush back a fourth time. They might speed walk, but they don't dare break into a trot, and that's fine progress for that day. The next day, we'll do it again, only by the end of that ride the horse is walking back to the barn like he's going to his own funeral. Sometimes, on a horse that has had that habit for a long while, I'll do it a third day, but usually two is enough. They remember, and they want no part of rushing back to the barn after that.

Case in point: Dreams spent two rides trying to rush back to the trailer after trail rides last year (back to back days). Both times I let him rush, and we did rollbacks around the truck and trailer until he was ready to walk back. Day one he powerwalked back ... day two he walked normally ... day three he walked back to the trailer at a snail's pace, taking every opportunity to try to turn around and head back out. When we got back to the trailer on day 3, I unsaddled him and let him rest for a while, then loaded him, gave him a treat and took him back to the barn. That was over a year ago and he hasn't tried it again. He no longer walks at .000001 miles per hour back to the trailer, but does walk slower on the way back than he does on the way out. Trust me, he remembers those rollbacks, which means that they were an effective tool to discourage him from rushing back.

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post #13 of 19 Old 03-14-2018, 03:59 PM
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You are assuming a lot, and most of your posts seem to say that you believe (all?) horses do nothing with us riding that they enjoy.
(Emphasis mine.)

To a degree, but...considering the posts that I have replied to...I do firmly believe that horses of riders who do not face behavioral issues probably do have a jolly good time being ridden... You won't see me going after riders who are happy with their horses telling them that their horse is probably miserable deep inside.

My philosophy is that horses seek release from pressure, rather than making sneaky attempts to get out of work. The more desperate they get trying to find release, the more the owner observes a misbehaving horse. Of course that doesn't necessarily hold the other way: A misbehaving horse may not be seeking to release pressure; it may try to put pressure on you, for example, or just engage in a habitual behavior (it has developed while trying to get release from pressure).

In any case, content horses act contently. Since the human is the main factor for having discontent arise in a horse, it stands to reason that the human should make the first attempt at training themselves rather than blaming the "stupid horse" (to exaggerate a bit).
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post #14 of 19 Old 03-14-2018, 04:45 PM Thread Starter
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Thank you all great advice. I want to try just making him walk the track home, that was the plan. I tried to do a one rein stop and I literally wasn't effecting him he's so strong. I physically could not turn him, or slow him down. It was like he had no idea
I was on his back. I'm small and he's heavyweight, 15hh but a powerhouse. I'm experienced but i hate feeling out of control
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post #15 of 19 Old 03-14-2018, 05:52 PM
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One rein stops are not magic. They are a trained response. Other options include a Pulley Rein Stop, or using some other technique. If you stop by applying steady pressure, or steady pressure on one side, then consider bumping. Hard.

And if you cannot turn the horse, then you need time in the arena and working on "Turn means turn". For example, if he won't turn with a pull on one rein, then be prepared to hit the shoulder. Horses don't always follow their noses, but they must follow their shoulders.

The problem is that some techniques are easier to see than to explain. Here is one on a Pulley Rein:


If you genuinely cannot stop or turn the horse, get a different horse.

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In the school he'll turn with just my legs! No reins required. He's clever and stubborn. I'll get it sorted. Thanks for all the advice folk
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I don't mean to be a downer but in this situation, if the horse was allowed to run home in this particular area by their owner, I don't know if there is much you can do... They will probably find it very unfair of you to force them not to participate in what they've been able to for who knows how long, and could react with bucking/rearing/head tossing/etc. Personally I don't think it's worth it to train this out of them especially if the rider who created this habit still engages in it.

Solutions? I think all I can advise is to go along with it, or try and avoid that section of the trail if you can. Or else, if you really want to have a fight with them, you're going to have to make circles the entire stretch of their gallop track until the end and this is going to take a very long time to get from A to B.
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I've used the 'working them hard at home when they rush back' - its a training trick that's as old as the hills and people were doing it when Warwick wasn't even a 'twinkle in his father's eye'.
It will work with some horses but with others it fails completely because they don't care that they're working hard at home - they're just happy that they're at home. It only works with horses that don't want to work and you also run the risk of the horse starting a whole new aversion trick of napping and rearing every time you try to get it into your manège or paddock or wherever else you're doing that 'hard work' routine when it gets back to the yard.


A 1 rein stop won't work on a stocky thick necked cob. If it doesn't want to oblige it'll just lock its neck and ignore your efforts to shift its rear end even if it will do it at home like clockwork. Its no different to the horse that will stop on a dime at the lightest touch at home but runs off with you on the trails.


A flash noseband won't help - a kineton noseband will give you twice the effect as it works by putting pressure on the nose as well as the mouth when you put your weight on the bit
Cobs that pull can be easier to stop in a gag type bit - I'd try a Cheltenham Gag, maybe with a Waterford mouthpiece. If you can break the habit out on the tracks by being able to stop him running off in the first place its a far more effective way to do it.
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Good post by jaydee, I agree it's a training issue, but it's also important the OP has control riding so DO think a stronger bit is appropriate. Having the OP stuck like a fly on the back of a horse that is effectively bolting is not safe, and working him when they get home isn't going to fix the problem. Oh, it's a good strategy, but having absolutely no control until that point is not.

Agree with stopping him before it starts for sure, don't LET him get away with you. I will stop a horse if they get strong. Or maybe back them up. Or turn around and "head back out" (away from the barn). Heck in this situation as it's just the one spot and something he's been taught (vs actually barn sour) maybe just get off and handwalk him. Or walk him then stop and take a break. Just change it up so he stops thinking he should be running.
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