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post #1 of 31 Old 07-22-2013, 08:51 PM Thread Starter
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What a cutie. :)

Quite a heated discussion going on Facebook about it, but I won't voice my opinion. What about you guys?

Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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Time will tell how these clones pan out. They may or may not allow registration eventually. Also, more than just genetics plays a part in the making of an animal. If you clone a great horse, he may or may not be as great. There is also the whole question of telomeres in cell division. Dolly the sheep died at a fairly young age. This may have been due to the fact that the cells used for cloning were adult cells and that the telomeres on the DNA had already shortened so that Dolly aged faster. Interesting project though.
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If a few of these clones go out and replicate the originals success either in the show pen or breeding shed the breed organizations will probably accept them sooner or later.
I dont know how I feel about the issue of cloning. Just that I will never use the technique no matter how affordable it becomes. Shalom
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I don't think you should clone anything
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I had always presumed, that cloning was getting an exact copy. Their makings are different.

I'm not sure how I feel about cloning. I say leave genetics alone, and lets have babies the say God meant for us to have babies.

Cloning has it's place, (don't know where) but I'm not sure about using it in the animal/human world.
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I had always presumed, that cloning was getting an exact copy. Their makings are different.

I'm not sure how I feel about cloning. I say leave genetics alone, and lets have babies the say God meant for us to have babies.

Cloning has it's place, (don't know where) but I'm not sure about using it in the animal/human world.
I thought the same thing about the markings. I actually wonder if they fully understand what the results will be with clones. It's such a crazy thing to do, I really do wonder if they understand what they are doing. I've never agreed with it.
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Since the DNA is the same, yet the color or markings are different, it really shows how little we know about the effect of the intrauterine environment on development. Here is an article about CC the cloned cat. She was not the same color as her mother.

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Clones are the same genetics but not the same individuals. They are identical twins in that the share the same genes; however, they are not identical down to the hair. If we relied on reproduction the way "God" intended it than we would not have artificial insemination, fertility treatments and numerous other advances that allow childless couples to have children. I don't know that "God" has a place in science, because if we did what was indicated by the bible science would not exist.

I think cloning has a great potential in being used for organs which would reduce donor rejection and reduce the number of people who die everyday due to not enough organs being available. Cloning has a place; however, making the play things of the wealthy is not it.

With horses, mammoths and other "pets" I don't think its of use. As others have said there is more to success than genetics. I also think that part of the reason these horses are amazing is that they are not like every other horse out there. If every horse was a High Brow Cat than he would not be special. Lets face it half the fun of breeding for folks is finding out how good you can get. Knowing the outcome sort of salts that pot.
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Clones are the same genetics but not the same individuals. They are identical twins in that the share the same genes; however, they are not identical down to the hair. If we relied on reproduction the way "God" intended it than we would not have artificial insemination, fertility treatments and numerous other advances that allow childless couples to have children. I don't know that "God" has a place in science, because if we did what was indicated by the bible science would not exist.

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I was meaning for the Genetics that God, or whomever you want, put there in our bodies. I unerstand artifical insemination..etc.
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Time will tell how these clones pan out. They may or may not allow registration eventually. Also, more than just genetics plays a part in the making of an animal. If you clone a great horse, he may or may not be as great. There is also the whole question of telomeres in cell division. Dolly the sheep died at a fairly young age. This may have been due to the fact that the cells used for cloning were adult cells and that the telomeres on the DNA had already shortened so that Dolly aged faster. Interesting project though.
I think you just blew my mind a little bit. I NEVER thought that telomeres could play a part in the cloning issue but it kind of makes sense. Time to email my Genetics instructor...

On a side note, I don't care if you clone a horse that won 14 trillion dollars in showing - that does not mean the clone will. It's all about how a horse is raised and trained- obviously the clone has the potential but if it's not trained correctly it's going to end up an average joe whether or not its 'clone mama' is the world champion 27 times running.

This is the same reason why I - IF I was into the breeding world, which I'm not - wouldn't look into show history and wins as relevant information. It's not the breeding of the horse that makes the horse a winner, it's the conformation (how well the horse is built for that sport) and training. To me, so long as the horse has the potential, the build, the conformation for the event/sport/show it's all about training. Winning shows is not genetic. This is why conformation is SO important if you're going to breed two horses.
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