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post #21 of 31 Old 07-24-2013, 12:02 PM
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As a confirmed HERDA carrier who has produced more than his fair share of Hrd/Hrd foals, I was happy when they announced he was sterile. When you clone, the bad comes with the good.
Dang. That's just wrong. They should geld the clone and just use him to compete with.

http://www.vgl.ucdavis.edu/services/herda.php
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As a confirmed HERDA carrier who has produced more than his fair share of Hrd/Hrd foals, I was happy when they announced he was sterile. When you clone, the bad comes with the good.
Wait, the horse had foals but then turned sterile? How did that happen?

(and I bet cloning will turn out to be a huge waste of money).
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Like other stallions his age he simply became sterile. He is 25 after all. Isnt his stud fee pretty high?
There will be plenty of breeders in line for his frozen semen and that of the clones. He is too important a sire and too successful not to be bred.
If I were breeding QHs and had a mare negative for HERDA I would spend the money for a good reining/cutting prospect. Shalom
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I'm sort of torn on my opinions of the whole cloning thing. On one hand, I can see the benefit of putting a great horse back into the gene pool that either had limited breeding or was never bred (think Charmayne James's Scamper).

On the other hand, if they start allowing registration of cloned horses or offspring of cloned horses (last I knew, any foal with a cloned parent wasn't eligible for registration either), then there will cease to be any progression in the bloodlines. I mean, instead of crossing on HBC and continuing to cross on his sons/grandsons with other lines to improve the breed, everyone would be wanting to cross on HBC himself and we might lose out on potential great horses that would come from a certain cross 4 or 5 generations down the line.

So much of the QH world is already traceable to this one certain horse or this other certain horse (how many QH in the world do you think have King or Wimpy in their bloodlines somewhere), having cloned horses just increases the potential for line-breeding...and opens up a whole new level of line breeding.

I don't know, I think I'm of a mind that they should just leave it well enough alone and, instead, continue the improvement of the breed through legitimate and responsible breeding practices.
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Celeste, so how long do the clones usually live ?
smrobs... there is to much linebreeding and without diversity a breed will die out due to inheritable conditions, some which are already in the AQHA, Paints, etc.

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Stevenson, I know how much line breeding is present in stock breeds and, re-reading my post, I made it sound like line breeding is a good thing. I was actually using it as a con in the argument of cloning. Some line breeding can heighten the good parts of a particular line....but there is far too much of it being done. When you see the same horse 6-8 times on a single set of papers...yeah, not cool IMHO.
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so will the start cloning other "better horses" think man o war, or other famous horses within a breed? It would be interesting to see if these great horses would stand the test of time. I would be more interested if they were cloning and turning off bad genes. Ie if we could replace or alter the genes that cause genetic diseases such as tay sacs in humans or hypo in horses.
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Celeste, so how long do the clones usually live ?
I don't think that anybody has the answer to that question just yet. The whole thing is too new. The cloned mammals so far have not lived all that many years, but it may turn out that this is not an issue. Who knows? It's just too new.
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All of these questions are interesting; however, in the big scheme of the horse species, cloning is unlikely to have a huge effect. It is too expensive and there will still be lots of breeders that use the old fashion methods of breeding.

Even AI makes one animal capable of breeding many more individuals than he ever could in a natural setting. Horses are not really a "natural" species. They are the product of thousands of years of deliberate selective breeding as are all domesticated species.
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post #30 of 31 Old 07-30-2013, 05:36 PM
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It looks like the pathway to registering QH clones is being opened up.

Cleared to race? Cloned quarter horses get victory in federal court - Investigations

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