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post #101 of 131 Old 08-28-2013, 12:34 AM Thread Starter
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btw I didnt mean that to sound bad either but I guess it could. didnt mean it that way. its just theres this weird divide of trying to question and find evidence, like we are trained, vs shock of the event hitting at home.

No lab to go to even if I could have sampled things, and the AC isnt going to do it.

Its too much circumstantial evidence even without DNA to deny that he, in all probability did it. There was no call for him to be in my pasture and the road is far from where Pumpkin died. I doubt smell brought him, and Id have expected a truly wild animal to eat more than what was missing from such a fresh corpse. That bit in my non professional opinion of course.

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post #102 of 131 Old 08-28-2013, 01:08 AM
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So incredibly sorry for your horrifying loss.

A rottweiler across the street killed a couple of our goats when I was growing up. Courts didn't do anything. Few months later, the dog got out again, killed one of my goats and then came at me when I stumbled across the scene (I was 12). I ran for my life, jumped/climbed a 5 foot field fence, then got in my house with him right on my heels. Called my mom, who called the police, who came and took the dog. EVEN WITH THAT, still had to go through the courts and go to trial and present a case that the dog was too dangerous to be allowed to go back to their property. Dog was deemed dangerous, but they allowed the owners to take the dog to a "properly secured location" .... hope your state laws are a little better than Oregon's. Either way, don't let it drop - don't allow the owners or AC to browbeat you - insist that the dog CANNOT return. Go to trial if you need to. Like others have said, the dog will escalate the behavior. And I like the idea of the donkey.

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post #103 of 131 Old 08-28-2013, 04:13 AM
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OMG, i'm so sorry you have to go through this. I am a dog lover too, but if its that dangerous something had to be done. I don't like when I have to explain things to my son because someone else was negligent.
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post #104 of 131 Old 08-28-2013, 10:00 AM
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It sounds like the dog, though it is kinda strange that he ate on him. He must have been at least hungry. I agree with getting a donkey or even a llama. I seen one of my llamas nearly kill a pit lab mix one time. I if she had about 100 more feet of pasture she would have. They don't bother my dogs though. This dog was getting a little close to her herd. But the point is, if it was coyotes, then that will help a lot, and if it was the dog, and ac can't keep him and turns him back over, which is what they seem to do a lot, then again, that would help. I think a small donkey would be the better choice in your case. Or, a Great Pyrenees. I know that at this point the thought of getting another pet so soon after losing a beloved family member is rather appalling, but for the safety of your other animals I would definitely recommend getting a guardian animal. Even if you have a rifle leaned against your door, you don't always know when something is happening.

Again, I'm so sorry for your loss. He seemed like a sweet pony and I'm sure your little boy is heartbroken. :(
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post #105 of 131 Old 08-28-2013, 10:34 AM
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A donkey is a good idea and sweet donkeys can be as nice to little boys as sweet ponies. :)

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post #106 of 131 Old 08-28-2013, 01:55 PM Thread Starter
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Discussed the donkey possibility with hubby, and he is not amused. He thinks it would kill our pups. I say theyd learn to dodge, but he counter suggested that he would prefer another dog. Someone here mentioned the great pyranees.

I looked it up and there didn't seem to be any recent local listings. Cost varies from about 500-1600 per dog, so we will have to save awhile and wait for a good ad to pop up.

Witch is walking juat slightly better today. Im worried. Strider looks almost worse. Crossing my fingers we can get a vet out tomorrow. :/ Im also going to have DH call AC to ask the status of that dog and see if we can get a report or something for court.

DD isnt handling this well. When I called her last night she cried again and said she cried at school today. She wants to breed Pumpkins dam for a similarly colored foal. I told her that might be difficult (pumpkin was silver bay, even if I found a good registered stud, color is bottom of the list!). She thinks if Mama Pony was here she would have protected her son. Gah. Its such a mess for her, and she was clearly not comforted by her bio dads talk of heaven...I tried to explain, in more of an energy/buddhist type way that pumpkin isnt truly gone, but its a tough concept when you're 11 and grieving.

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post #107 of 131 Old 08-28-2013, 02:16 PM
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Discussed the donkey possibility with hubby, and he is not amused. He thinks it would kill our pups. I say theyd learn to dodge, but he counter suggested that he would prefer another dog. Someone here mentioned the great pyranees.

I looked it up and there didn't seem to be any recent local listings. Cost varies from about 500-1600 per dog, so we will have to save awhile and wait for a good ad to pop up.

Witch is walking juat slightly better today. Im worried. Strider looks almost worse. Crossing my fingers we can get a vet out tomorrow. :/ Im also going to have DH call AC to ask the status of that dog and see if we can get a report or something for court.

DD isnt handling this well. When I called her last night she cried again and said she cried at school today. She wants to breed Pumpkins dam for a similarly colored foal. I told her that might be difficult (pumpkin was silver bay, even if I found a good registered stud, color is bottom of the list!). She thinks if Mama Pony was here she would have protected her son. Gah. Its such a mess for her, and she was clearly not comforted by her bio dads talk of heaven...I tried to explain, in more of an energy/buddhist type way that pumpkin isnt truly gone, but its a tough concept when you're 11 and grieving.
Actually when you introduce a guard donkey to your herd, you include the dogs. They associate familiar animals and do not attack them. My previous barn had 4 dogs and 7 barn cats that neither donkey attacked. (They never attempted to harm any of the chickens or goats either, as they considered them part of their herd.) Donkeys protect anything familiar on the property, and only attack strange animals, or animals posing a threat to their herd.

You can look up guard donkey breeders. They will give you valuable info on how to introduce your current animals as their herd. And you will probably get one cheaper than the puppy you are looking at. Hope this helps!
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post #108 of 131 Old 08-28-2013, 03:15 PM
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And a puppy takes forever to really get to be a good guard dog. I agree with above. My donkey has never chased my dogs, but I've seen him scatter other dogs. Great Pyrenees are good guards, I loved mine, but like I said, you've got 6 months+ until its big enough to do much protecting.

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post #109 of 131 Old 08-28-2013, 03:24 PM Thread Starter
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And a puppy takes forever to really get to be a good guard dog. I agree with above. My donkey has never chased my dogs, but I've seen him scatter other dogs. Great Pyrenees are good guards, I loved mine, but like I said, you've got 6 months+ until its big enough to do much protecting.
Lol I told hubby that too. We'd have to rely on our other dogs ('bout three months old!) for "protection" in the interim.

He says he just really doesn't want another equine around. I can't really blame him for that, but...TBH I don't want any other dogs around! He doesn't pick up after them =/

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post #110 of 131 Old 08-28-2013, 03:33 PM
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Well, at the risk of sounding callous or uncaring....you do have one less equine than you had before. I'd lightly pressure hubby to at least consider a donkey or a mule (they can both be ridden/driven too), though stay away from the minis.

They can and will defend your property (and your animals) with a vengeance.

Just as an example, even though the cougar was already dead, most equines would shy away and refuse to approach it due to the strong smell of predator and the smell of blood, but this mule proceeded to attack the body anyway.






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