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post #1 of 12 Old 05-31-2013, 10:57 AM Thread Starter
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Horse That Bucks Off Specific Type of Rider??

Just wondering if anyone else knows of a horse like this, I suspect its more common than people realize(thus the "you told me this horse never bucks and he bucked me off!!")The story;

Friend has a gelding, started at 6. he was a bit subborn and strong willed(not surprising for a 6 year old that had never had anything expected of them) middle of the herd type guy, nice stocky, 15.2hh foundation stock type horse. Fairly sensitive, but quiet. Owner puts a couple rides on him, no problem the first few, gets scared at an animal that jumps up while being ridden in the round pen, throws a few bucks in, suprising his owner and dumping them. Can happen with any horse in the first few rides. owner gets back on, no problem.

Horse goes for 60 days. great for the trainer, only complaint is that he's a bit stubborn. no problem. Gets trail ridden, bareback, western, aussie saddle, no problems, just a little green.gives pony rides for kids, ponies other horses, perfect. By winter the horse is doing great.

the following spring, intermediate rider on him that says they have worked with green horses. just going for a slow walk. Rider becomes nervous about a dog, tenses up, grips reins, horse bucks them off. Rider gets back on, rides for a minute, switches with experienced rider who gives him a solid work out, no offer to buck, perfect behavior. Ridden all that summer by various riders(all confident, intermediate-experienced), taken to the mountains, crossed rivers, very solid w/t/c gallop, bare back, rope halter, side passed, neck reins, etc. tried everything to make him act up, nothing, cannot get him to buck, even after months off, just hop on, no lunging and go.

ridden through the winter, now this spring. Beginner on a horse thats having a bad day, just walking on an easy trail. Riders switch, put beginner on this horse(who has become very quiet, push button type), beginner is frustrated by their previous horse and anxious to impress the rest of the riders, emediately tenses up and grabs the reins. horse bucks him off. Horse ridden by several people after, no problem at any gait, no problem with contact on the bit, etc.

My conclusion is that this horse cant take anxiousness/tense/nervous riders at all. In every other way he is virtually a kids pony, but he cant take any riders with the above combined qualities. He has had experienced riders on him in very hight tension situations with no issues.

Anyone else know of a horse like this?
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post #2 of 12 Old 05-31-2013, 11:14 AM
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I had a horse that would buck if your weight got too far forward, and her mother would buck if you tried carrying anything while riding. A tense or anxious rider probably makes this horse feel unsafe.
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post #3 of 12 Old 05-31-2013, 11:29 AM
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I am presently dealing with a similar situation with my QH mare. She is extremely soft mouthed and cannot handle anxiousness / tension / nervousness one bit (I believe partially in fact to her having a tendency to be anxious and nervous herself). Having a rider that amplifies these things causes her to become frustrated and she will buck. I've been doing a lot of ground work with her to help ease her own anxiety and nervousness and she has come a very long way (as it sounds this 6 year old has as well). It's not uncommon for some horses to just be an intermediate to advanced rider mount.
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post #4 of 12 Old 05-31-2013, 12:04 PM
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At a barn I use to volunteer at they had a pony that everytime you used your leg (nudge to walk on, etc) he would buck...you had to do use voice commands on him. I agree it sounds like the horse doesn't feel safe with a nervous/tense rider.

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post #5 of 12 Old 05-31-2013, 12:08 PM
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my mare is like this. if the rider is nervous, she spooks more, is much more lookey, much more herd bound. with a confident rider, shes attentive and responsive, albeit a little stubborn. it means his instincts are still functioning :)
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post #6 of 12 Old 05-31-2013, 12:38 PM
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My now 27 yr old Arab used to be a great lesson horse for children 10 and under.

That was because, by the time they reached 11 or 12, they thought they knew a lot more than Streeter did - not

Streeter never bucked anybody off - he was sneakier than a buck

Streeter would wait until the know-it-all rider was slightly off their seat/balance and he would jig to the opposite

I had Streeter boarded during this time and the BO was the one giving lessons off him. Streeter would never un-seat anyone in front of her; she had to go in the barn and watch out the window, being careful to stay hidden so Streeter couldn't see her.

She said Streeter pulled that trick enough times, that she knew he knew full-well what he was doing

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post #7 of 12 Old 05-31-2013, 03:30 PM
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It is just normal behaviour for a horse that has not tons of experiences yet I would say... they just pick up on the body language of the rider - some horses are more sensetive to it then others!
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Friend had a Welsh Cod X that was working at prix st georges. (Dressage) she was the only one who ever rode him because he bucked everyone off.
Friend wanted to ride her daughter's pony and asked me to ride her horse. I mounted him and when on and friend spoke to me this horse turned his head to the left and sniffed me. He then looked at his owner on the pony and turned his head and looked up at me from the right. He stood until I asked him to move where by he just shot forward, fly leapt and then got his head so far down and bucked! We ended up in the arena and bless him, he did his best to get me off but all I did was sit on top and laugh. Once around the arena and he stopped. We had a lovely long ride out with him acting the idiot but in a fun way.

I have had several horses, especially ponies, who will take advantage of nervous or small people but equally I have had the same that really nurse this sort of rider.
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Is it not the same with horses, the rider tenses up and so does the horse. I have learnt to smile and even sing when feeling a little nervous. However Stella does not like my singing can't think why.

I have noticed some horses respond different to males or females. Stella puts her ears back when I go up to her. She does not mean any mallace just prefers my wife to me. Bugs on the other hand will follow me around. I think we approach horse ownership wrong, we chose the horse. Would it not be a better partnership in the long run if the horse wanted to be with us.

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I had a horse that would buck if your weight got too far forward, and her mother would buck if you tried carrying anything while riding. A tense or anxious rider probably makes this horse feel unsafe.
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I have rode plenty of horses that would buck if you got out a little ahead of them! Those are the kind that teach you to sit right in the middle

My husbands horse who used to be a pickup horse will still buck(he's 13) if in a rodeo situation. But if you laid him off for 6 months and just pull him out to go gather cows outside he won't. He can't handle stress himself let a lone from who ever is riding him. He also won't tolerate over-cueing.

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