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post #21 of 46 Old 03-09-2013, 11:36 PM
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A little long, WTF????? That is pathetic! There is no reason for her feet to be like that......hope it all works out well with her, how old is she?

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post #22 of 46 Old 03-09-2013, 11:47 PM
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Good on you for getting her the help she needs.

Looking forward to more pics, hint hint.

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post #23 of 46 Old 03-10-2013, 08:24 AM
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Endiku, thank you very much for that info on Quest dewormer.

I have accidentally overdosed my 350 pound 10.2 pony on ivermectin, pretty much exactly as you described - the dosing ring slipped.

I did recently deworm with Quest, but was very careful and pony got the correct dose for his weight.

But I had no idea that the tolerance for Quest was so much lower; I'll be very vigilant in the future.

To the OP, I agree with what the other posters have said - sedate for the farrier. Also agree that she'll need a series of trims, a couple of weeks apart, rather than doing it all at once. I took in a pony once whose feet were almost that bad and he was sound on them, amazingly. But when we started to trim him back he was REALLY ouchy and sore.

I might also give a little bute each day until you complete the trim down process.
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Minis and small ponies seem to be very resilient when it comes to their feet. They also do not 'self trim' as well unless they are running on very rocky ground. Those kinds of feet are not that unusual around here.

You do not need to take them down 'little by little'. They can all come off at once. I have been at the horse shoeing school with waiting on my horses when the school was trimming little ones that came in looking worse than these feet are. If you do not get own to live hoof right away, you cannot address thrush or get a healthy frog.

They saw off the biggest part of it. They usually get them down to about 1 inch longer than you would expect a well-cared for hoof of that size. Then they start trimming the heals down and gradually pare away the excess dead sole. By the time they get down to good sole, they can easily trim away all of the excess wall.

When they get through, the feet 'almost' look like normal hooves. They will have a dish in them that will grow out and there will be separation at the toe because the wall has been pushed forward', but they will look pretty good. The thrush usually clears right up if they are kept in a clean environment. I could not believe the 'before and after' views of some of these little guys.

I've seen mini burros and mules the same. They can really damage their tendons because they need to have very 'upright' feet, but the ponies and mini horses fare much better.

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No problem at all Maura. As long as you are very, very careful about using Quest on the ponies under 13hh, I don't see a huge issue. There is a risk that you run ofcourse, but the heavier the pony is (not overweight, mind you) the less of one there is. We personally don't use quest at all because we're afraid someone might accidently give the wrong animal the wrong wormer, and we have a lot of minis, but its really personal preference when it all comes down to it.

I think we've all accidently given a whole dose of Ivermectrin before xD those tubes are usually so cheap and I've had the ring slip or break many times. I actually accidently overdosed our foster filly on just two weeks ago. Whoops O_o

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I think if you look at my photo albums, there's a pic of our pony in there - he's tiny and light boned. Even though he's ~40 inches at the shoulder, too tall for a mini, I don't think he weighs much more than a mini.

Cherie, I was basing my advice on going slow based on the changes to the joints and musculature from the dramatic change in angles. I totally get what you're saying about it doesn't make a difference to the structures of the hoof, but wouldn't it be better for the joints and soft tissues if the change were gradual?

Or is that a do you want to pull the adhesive bandage off fast or slow kind of question?
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I did send the picture to my farrier & he said probably 3 or 4 trims to get her right. He is one of the best farrier's in my area. He does a lot of clinics & is one of the "big guys" in the farriers assoc. around here. I trust him completly. He'll be able to tell me if we need to involve the vet & if is is foundered or not. I'll keep everybody posted on how she does. I'm hoping that once she's healthy, we can break her for harness
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I think if you look at my photo albums, there's a pic of our pony in there - he's tiny and light boned. Even though he's ~40 inches at the shoulder, too tall for a mini, I don't think he weighs much more than a mini.

Cherie, I was basing my advice on going slow based on the changes to the joints and musculature from the dramatic change in angles. I totally get what you're saying about it doesn't make a difference to the structures of the hoof, but wouldn't it be better for the joints and soft tissues if the change were gradual?

Or is that a do you want to pull the adhesive bandage off fast or slow kind of question?

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The Master Farriers at the school and the Vets that advise them say that the more quickly you can get the added stress off of the supporting tendons and ligaments that have to support the horse's or pony's weight when they have under-run heels or extremely long toes (they call them 'slipper toes'), the less chance there is of permanent damage. They are not nearly as worried about anything more than they worry about the weight bearing tendons and ligaments.

I have also seen some there that did not get there near quickly enough and the flexor tendons (particularly the deep flexor tendons) were badly damaged, were greatly enlarged and sore and the animal was permanently crippled.

They don't think and I don't think you can get their weight off of those tendons too fast.

You see horses every day that have Navicular Syndrome from long toes and under-run heels and they are not any where near as stressed as the ponies with 'slipper toes'. They also suggest a gradual increases in exercise so they can develop their strength back up in the tendons and ligaments that have been over-stretched.

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I have accidentally overdosed my 350 pound 10.2 pony on ivermectin, pretty much exactly as you described - the dosing ring slipped.
This seems to be a common issue and one that is an easy thing to fix. Figure out how many units you need to give, and only leave that much in the syringe-meaning you push out the excess and throw it away before you go to the horse. That way there is no chance of overdosing. That's the way we do it in nursing when a medication comes in more units than we want to give

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