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post #31 of 46 Old 03-11-2013, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by DimSum View Post
This seems to be a common issue and one that is an easy thing to fix. Figure out how many units you need to give, and only leave that much in the syringe-meaning you push out the excess and throw it away before you go to the horse. That way there is no chance of overdosing. That's the way we do it in nursing when a medication comes in more units than we want to give
I did that when we had horses in Ms. Now I drill a screw through the plastic to make sure it stops and will use the left over with what is left over from the other horses to use on the last horse. The last horse may get 3 squirts of 250-300lbs serving to get their dose as he is the lightest at this time and it works out within 50- 75 lbs.
I've not heard any negative of doing it that way.
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post #32 of 46 Old 04-02-2013, 07:51 PM Thread Starter
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update on Cody

My farrier came today. He was able to get quite a bit off Cody's hoofs. He said the hoof's had curled under & twisted as they grew. Now it's a waiting game to get the hoof to grow down & get in the proper shape with further trims. There may be permant joint damage, but she still gets around just fine. The other thing he noticed was she breaths weird when she was worked up. He told me it sounded like heaves. Now I"m off to google that, because I have no idea what it is
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post #33 of 46 Old 04-02-2013, 09:29 PM
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It looks like you have a good start on her feet anyway.

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post #34 of 46 Old 04-03-2013, 10:36 AM
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If I am correct in my understanding, heaves is like horsey asthma. It can be caused by inhaling to much dust, say from eating moldy hay or very old nasty hay. It can slowly be worked out of the horse but it may never fully go away. Work her slowly to build up her lung capacity so they can expand easily and it will eventually become much easier for her to breathe and do more strenuous activities although she may never be able to use her full lung capacity. I know a pony who had severe heaves and after a good time of steady slow work and proper feed ventilation and having it rinsed down before eating it he did regain health and is now as rambunctious as a 2 year old.
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post #35 of 46 Old 04-03-2013, 11:03 AM
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wow great start on the hooves.

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post #36 of 46 Old 04-03-2013, 12:14 PM
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Poor mini! She's clearly with the RIGHT FAMILY now...I can't wait to follow her success story. Thank G-d for wonderful people such as yourself!!! :0)

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post #37 of 46 Old 04-03-2013, 01:04 PM
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Much better feet! Glad this girl got out of a bad situation. It seems so common around here that mini's just don't get trimmed as often as bigger horses, maybe people think because they don't ride them it doesn't matter as much? When I was on my pony buying quest last year I had come upon so many minis that just did not have very good care at all, and I passed on more than one because of obvious hoof issues from long overgrown slipper feet.

Heaves is kind of like horsey asthma, it can be regulated with proper management. For example, most horses with heaves do best outside at all times, except for short periods to feed or whatnot, they do best on pasture or fed on the ground or out of a slow feed net vs in a raised hay bunk where particles are likely to be inhaled, make sure hay is not dusty or moldy, if its a bit dusty water it down, outside is best as the dust is less likely to become overwhelming. Ride/exercise outside, or if you must make sure the indoor is thoroughly watered before riding. In some cases they will need steroids to keep it under control. You can usually manage them well if you are diligent about feeding them properly and keeping them out of dusty areas, they will most likely always be more prone to getting heaves though, and it may cause labored breathing because of the scar tissue that builds up in the lungs because of the allergic reaction that takes place. Ammonia (from urine soaked stalls) is bad for all horses to be breathing in, but it is particularly bad for these guys.

Once you manage their environment to fit their individual needs, adding work gradually is good for them, however, you need to be aware of how much they can take and when to stop, it's harder for them to catch their breath if they are still fighting against that allergic reaction.

My gelding has heaves, he is well managed, outside 24/7 fed on the ground or out of the slow feeder. I don't ride in dusty areas and he hasn't had an episode in nearly 8 years. He was fed moldy dusty round bales at a previous boarding facility which caused his initial heaves episode, and he is more prone to react to less than stellar hay ever since, but knock on wood, he hasn't had any issues since managing his environment and feed better.

Hope that helps!
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post #38 of 46 Old 04-04-2013, 09:08 AM Thread Starter
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I've been doing a lot of reading on heaves. Everything I've read said the cough a lot. Cody doesn't cough, at all. She makes this weird huff/weezie sound after she's been running or when she's really worked up, like with the farrier visit. I honostly thought it was because she is so over weight. I'm still trying to get ahold of the vet to get him out there to check her over

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post #39 of 46 Old 04-04-2013, 09:41 AM
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It still sounds like heaves, they have a distinct huff as you describe, the passageways in the lungs are restricted and it takes some extra effort to get it out, hence the wheez-huff-cough. Horses that have had it a while will have whats called a heave line, a line of overdeveloped muscles on their abdomen from helping the air out. They do cough, usually at the end of exhaling, but I wouldn't write it off if you don't hear it. Symptoms are exacerbated with exercise/exertion and weight can play a part as well. Definitely get a vet out to check her out and until you figure this out, and have a vet confirm if it is heaves (COPD) or not, I would keep exercise initiated by you to short sessions of walking/trotting, a lot of times it is hard for these guys to catch their breath afterwards, think having an asthma attack, and some need an inhaler. Yes there are horsey inhalers!

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What is her living situation? Outside, stalled at all, dry lot, pasture? What and how is she fed? Hay is best fed on the ground and watered down to help with dust, as well as any concentrates if she gets any, make sure it is also dust free and water down a bit if needed to prevent particles from being inhaled. A lot of times completely removing her from a specific environment that is high in (dust, pollen, mold, ammonia, chemicals, etc) can completely reverse symptoms. Or perhaps her previous environment was what contained the irritants and what you are seeing is the results of improper care from her previous owner. Either way, get a vet out, do a work up, and see what they say. The longer you wait the more likely permanent lung damage can occur.
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I've only had her about a month. She shares a 16x16 stall, packed dirt floor with flake wood shavings on top. I leave the bottom half of the stall door open so the always have acess to their 35x45 (approx. guess) coral. They get a flake of grass hay, am & pm, fed in a basket type feeder that my husband built for me. It's really nice hay will very little dust. Cody & my mini donk eat side by side with no fussing. within the next 6 to 8 weeks, hopfully, the will get turned out to pasture with grazing muzzles

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