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post #1 of 13 Old 07-08-2020, 11:53 AM Thread Starter
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How much should I offer?

Branching from my previous thread about a mare that I want to buy to get out of a crappy situation, I'm looking for input. What would be a fair offer to throw out? The current owners said they are open to selling her but that's as far as the conversation has gone, I haven't pushed the issue at this moment.
She's a 4 yr old, green, Morgan/friesian cross
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Any and all input would be greatly appreciated
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The horse may be in a bad situation but unless you can improve the situation and afford to keep the mare in better standards I would see no point to go any further.
A 4 year old cross....but what does she know and what kind of health issues are present would dictate the price offered.
Is she trained to ride, does she drive?
How far advanced is her training and can you further it, better it or at the minimum maintain it?
Is her health compromised or is she yet healthy physically and mentally?

So much of what she is worth is also going to be from her current owners because they know you want her so they can ask a price and you either go yes or no and negotiate.
A cross of Morgan and Freisian is not unheard of...but is she from a cross that has some kind of records in their past of achievement? Either parent and further back in her lineage?
How large is she, how does she herself move, is she athletic and have that presence that is what catches so many eyes?

So many things to consider...
With that though is also the fact that she is only worth meat price as so many gifted and well-trained young, sound horses are turned away and sold, ending up on the auction block and then a hip number some rescue begs a stranger to pay bail on...
If she were to go to auction she is worth what she weighs... many horses go through bringing in only a few hundred dollars at most...it is kill-buyers who then put a ransom price over double what they paid to get the horse from horsey-jail....but, this horse, any horse is only worth what the market is willing to pay...
To me, depending on all those above mentioned....but is she worth much, sadly no.
Unless she is saddle-trained or broke to drive already she is not worth more than a few hundred dollars in honesty...what the market will bear and pay is key.
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The horse may be in a bad situation but unless you can improve the situation and afford to keep the mare in better standards I would see no point to go any further.
A 4 year old cross....but what does she know and what kind of health issues are present would dictate the price offered.
Is she trained to ride, does she drive?
How far advanced is her training and can you further it, better it or at the minimum maintain it?
Is her health compromised or is she yet healthy physically and mentally?

So much of what she is worth is also going to be from her current owners because they know you want her so they can ask a price and you either go yes or no and negotiate.
A cross of Morgan and Freisian is not unheard of...but is she from a cross that has some kind of records in their past of achievement? Either parent and further back in her lineage?
How large is she, how does she herself move, is she athletic and have that presence that is what catches so many eyes?

So many things to consider...
With that though is also the fact that she is only worth meat price as so many gifted and well-trained young, sound horses are turned away and sold, ending up on the auction block and then a hip number some rescue begs a stranger to pay bail on...
If she were to go to auction she is worth what she weighs... many horses go through bringing in only a few hundred dollars at most...it is kill-buyers who then put a ransom price over double what they paid to get the horse from horsey-jail....but, this horse, any horse is only worth what the market is willing to pay...
To me, depending on all those above mentioned....but is she worth much, sadly no.
Unless she is saddle-trained or broke to drive already she is not worth more than a few hundred dollars in honesty...what the market will bear and pay is key.
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I would be able to provide a better environment and training. She's about 15 hands and has really nice movement. She isn't broke to ride as of yet but has no problem being saddled or weight being put in the saddle. She has "some" ground manners but still needs work on that. She lunges while saddled at the walk/trot/canter. But being totally broke to ride she's not here yet. As far as health I don't know if she ever had a PPE done before they got her so that's undetermined. From what I was told she basically fell in their lap.
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Then maybe she can fall into your lap also...
You will never know how much $$ is wanted unless you ask.
Look around at similar horses for worth...
She is basically untrained...not started except for elementary ground work done.
Nothing is completed and at her age...
I would not offer more than a few hundred dollars because you are going to spend a lot of time and effort to start this total unknown animal.
By me, she would not be commanding anymore than $200 - $300 at most, killer price and then a bit more actually.
You don't want to offend anyone so if you are really interested have the owner give you a price and start making realistic numbers in response..
You have a near total unknown and you don't pay for cute, untrained and many unknowns at this age...at least I sure don't.
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Awe, she looks a lot like my Missouri Fox Trotter!

What I wanted to ask is........does this horse have any training? Is she saddle broke? How reliable if she is?

In my area, a horse without training won't bring much. Maybe $1000 if you are lucky, and probably only then because she is part Friesian. Grade horses with no training are almost give-aways. I know a guy that got a nice registered 1/2 Arabian for free (not broke) and a green broke grade horse for $300!

But a nice, trained horse, even a BLM Mustang will bring at least $2000. As a trail or general riding horse. I paid $2000 for a Mustang and would buy them all day at that price if they were like the one I had........he was the most wonderful horse for me. But I think it really depends on your individual market.........and how trained/safe the horse is. Well broke horses (especially younger ones) will always have buyers.


PS. I didn't see the post earlier that said she wasn't broke. So disregard that part. I don't know how I missed it!
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I appreciate the input from everyone. I know it's hard to gauge a fair price simply by a photo and a small description. Unfortunately the market here is all over the place to say the least. Ive seen grade horses go for a couple hundred dollars to $1200-1500.
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I appreciate the input from everyone. I know it's hard to gauge a fair price simply by a photo and a small description. Unfortunately the market here is all over the place to say the least. Ive seen grade horses go for a couple hundred dollars to $1200-1500.

The best bet is probably to see if you can feel-out what the owner would take for her. And go from there.
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I think so much of this depends on your knowledge of the sellers. I think I remember that thread, and it's your trainer or barn owner who has this horse? If they're thinking of her as a pretty young mare with a nice attitude at the right age to start saddle training, they might be thinking they want to get "promising prospect" prices for her. It seems like anything with Friesian in it adds $$$ to the list price. If she was listed on a site like Dreamhorse, I wouldn't be surprised to see her in the $3-5K range as a "prospect." I'm not saying that's what I'd want to pay, but from browsing around ads for young horses that doesn't seem so off base in my area.

There is no part-bred Morgan registry, but I don't know anything about Friesians. Is she registered in any way?

What, objectively, do YOU think she's worth? Does the person who owns her sell horses regularly? Can you do any investigation to find out what price range she typically sells at? Maybe that way you have an idea of the lower end of what she could have in mind so you can start in a place that's not such an insult she doesn't think you're serious but not more than you need to spend.
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There is no part-bred Morgan registry, but I don't know anything about Friesians. Is she registered in any way?
I do not think that there is a part-bred Friesian registry as I believe accredited Friesian stallions can lose their credentials for breeding to mares outside of the breed registry (not that that stops people haha but don't quote me on that), but apparently there is a "Moriesian" registry for Morgan/Friesian crosses. Who knew?

http://www.moriesianhorseregistry.com/
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There is a Friesian Sporthorse registry, my friend has a pony that's registered that way. Sire was a Friesian and the paper says the mare was a grade mare but her horse is registered... fyi for what it's worth...
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