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post #21 of 29 Old 03-20-2013, 02:36 AM
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There aren't many things that tick me (apart from obvious violence, mistreatment, malnourishment, bad training methods and blaming the horse), but one thing that gets to me are non horsey people or very green beginners who act as knowitalls and refuse to admit that they might be wrong.

I have come a long way, to surrender my shadow to the shadow of my horse.
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post #22 of 29 Old 03-20-2013, 02:40 PM
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My experience with kids and a green horse:
I adopted a 9 year old green (was very pushy and rude) Arab mare. She inadvertently ended up becoming my 6 year old son's very first pony/horse. He rides her more than I do and she is much better behaved for him than for me or our trainer. Adults have issues riding her but throw a kid on her and she acts finished. She has recently been put into my trainers lessons program for pretty advanced kids ages 8-14. We never thought she could be a kids horse, I avoided taking kids around her, but my son always watched from the sidelines and somehow over time they bonded. He had no interest in horses let alone riding them until he met Comet. I would have never got my son a green horse or a youngster but if the connection is there, why deny it.

I agree its not something anyone should do but there is always the exception to the rule.

My pet peeve is people passing judgement before knowing the whole story and people stereotyping or lumping people under the same label/judgement.
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post #23 of 29 Old 03-20-2013, 05:17 PM
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I cannot stand it when people buy yearlings for their 5 year old and say "they can grow up together and teach each other!"

NO, no they cannot grow up together! They can't teach each other; you can't teach what you don't know! Neither can teach one another because they know nothing and therefore have nothing to teach!

Makes me so angry

So, what can't you stand in the horse community?
I totally agree with this - under the circumstance that no one in the family is knowledgeable about horses. I can understand it if say, the parents are going to have the horse trained, and the kid grows up learning how to take care of a horse, etc..

BUT. This situation just happened to me, and in a way I should've known better, but I got sort of talked into it, and I'm really kicking myself for it now!!
I had a gorgeous 6 year old palomino mare, who I had used as my trail horse since she was two. Great trail horse, really broke, but I had really been the only one to ride her except the trainer who put the first 60 days on her. Well, I ended up getting into cutting, and needed money to help buy a cutting horse, so I finally decided that I may be willing to sell her (I was still torn if I actually wanted to or not). Anyways, a 9 year old girl, who was a very novice rider, and is the niece of my trainer, called me up to come look at her, because she wanted a trail horse, and loved the fact that I had a palomino. I told her right away that my mare was probably not a kids horse. She had never had any kids ride her, so I did not know how she would handle it, although she was very broke. Well, the girl and her parents were very insistent they wanted to come see her, so I finally caved. The little girl rode her around my arena and actually did surprisingly well with her. (Keep in mind the parents know nothing about horses, and the girl had only had some basic lessons). I was still torn about selling her, but they were insistent that she would have a good home, and that the girl's uncle (my trainer) would keep them going in lessons, blah blah. AND THAT THEY WANTED A HORSE SHE COULD GROW UP WITH. I had a 19 year old mare I showed them that would've been a perfect first horse, but they didn't want something SO OLD.

Anyways, I'm rambling, but I'll get to the part as to why I'm really kicking myself for this one...

Not two months after I sold my mare to her - she started getting interested in cutting (her uncle is a cutting trainer). She started riding his old timer cutting horse and taking lessons, and slowly started to ignore the mare I sold her. Fast forward about 6 months - the palomino mare basically became a pasture ornament, so they decided to put her up for sale so they could buy the girl a cutting horse instead!!! The mare tested her a little bit, and being a novice rider, she did not know how to handle a horse that didn't just plod along and do whatever you asked. I was very upset, because by this time, I had bought a new horse, and there is no way I could afford to buy her back. Luckily, the mare did go to a knowledgeable home, with a lady who brought her to a trainer, and she is learning how to become a team penner and will get lots of love and attention.

Moral of the story, I learned my lesson. Young horses do not mix well with novice horse families/novice riders, and I should've known better.
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post #24 of 29 Old 03-20-2013, 07:56 PM Thread Starter
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I totally agree with this - under the circumstance that no one in the family is knowledgeable about horses. I can understand it if say, the parents are going to have the horse trained, and the kid grows up learning how to take care of a horse, etc..

BUT. This situation just happened to me, and in a way I should've known better, but I got sort of talked into it, and I'm really kicking myself for it now!!
I had a gorgeous 6 year old palomino mare, who I had used as my trail horse since she was two. Great trail horse, really broke, but I had really been the only one to ride her except the trainer who put the first 60 days on her. Well, I ended up getting into cutting, and needed money to help buy a cutting horse, so I finally decided that I may be willing to sell her (I was still torn if I actually wanted to or not). Anyways, a 9 year old girl, who was a very novice rider, and is the niece of my trainer, called me up to come look at her, because she wanted a trail horse, and loved the fact that I had a palomino. I told her right away that my mare was probably not a kids horse. She had never had any kids ride her, so I did not know how she would handle it, although she was very broke. Well, the girl and her parents were very insistent they wanted to come see her, so I finally caved. The little girl rode her around my arena and actually did surprisingly well with her. (Keep in mind the parents know nothing about horses, and the girl had only had some basic lessons). I was still torn about selling her, but they were insistent that she would have a good home, and that the girl's uncle (my trainer) would keep them going in lessons, blah blah. AND THAT THEY WANTED A HORSE SHE COULD GROW UP WITH. I had a 19 year old mare I showed them that would've been a perfect first horse, but they didn't want something SO OLD.

Anyways, I'm rambling, but I'll get to the part as to why I'm really kicking myself for this one...

Not two months after I sold my mare to her - she started getting interested in cutting (her uncle is a cutting trainer). She started riding his old timer cutting horse and taking lessons, and slowly started to ignore the mare I sold her. Fast forward about 6 months - the palomino mare basically became a pasture ornament, so they decided to put her up for sale so they could buy the girl a cutting horse instead!!! The mare tested her a little bit, and being a novice rider, she did not know how to handle a horse that didn't just plod along and do whatever you asked. I was very upset, because by this time, I had bought a new horse, and there is no way I could afford to buy her back. Luckily, the mare did go to a knowledgeable home, with a lady who brought her to a trainer, and she is learning how to become a team penner and will get lots of love and attention.

Moral of the story, I learned my lesson. Young horses do not mix well with novice horse families/novice riders, and I should've known better.
That is what I mean. I didn't mean to offend anyone or say that they were uneducated about horses and made stupid decisions, but I meant that it irritates me when uneducated horse people, such as when the whole family knows little to nothing about horses, buys a young untrained horse for their kid to 'grow up with.' Yes, I understand, in some cases it is different, such as when the kids and parents know things about horses. I didn't mean to judge people or stereotype them.
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post #25 of 29 Old 03-20-2013, 08:12 PM
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I hate it when you go horse shopping and the horse being sold is under weight and hasn't had their feet trimmed in forever. I hate hate hate this!!! When I was marketing horses, I made sure the horse was in GOOD weight, the feet were trimmed and the horse looked presentable to a buyer!

Twice over the last month I've gone horse shopping with friends (they were buying, not me) and the horse's ribs were showing and their feet were long and chipped. The last mare I saw had this disgusting dirty tail and the seller said she had a foal 2 weeks ago that almost killed the mare upon delivery (foal died) but the vet was never called for a check up after the incident.

To each their own, I get it. I would have called the vet for a check up, but I guess If the mare is showing no signs of distress then she'll probably live, right? But wouldn't you at least groom the horse and wash the blood from her tail so you could present her better?

Sellers drive me crazy. I sold some horses for $500 (unregistered and unbroke) who were in good weight and had their feet done. They were cheap but they were taken care of. Is it so hard to care for the animal and present it properly?
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I hate it when you go horse shopping and the horse being sold is under weight and hasn't had their feet trimmed in forever. I hate hate hate this!!! When I was marketing horses, I made sure the horse was in GOOD weight, the feet were trimmed and the horse looked presentable to a buyer!

Twice over the last month I've gone horse shopping with friends (they were buying, not me) and the horse's ribs were showing and their feet were long and chipped. The last mare I saw had this disgusting dirty tail and the seller said she had a foal 2 weeks ago that almost killed the mare upon delivery (foal died) but the vet was never called for a check up after the incident.

To each their own, I get it. I would have called the vet for a check up, but I guess If the mare is showing no signs of distress then she'll probably live, right? But wouldn't you at least groom the horse and wash the blood from her tail so you could present her better?

Sellers drive me crazy. I sold some horses for $500 (unregistered and unbroke) who were in good weight and had their feet done. They were cheap but they were taken care of. Is it so hard to care for the animal and present it properly?
My gosh yes! I hate seeing horses being sold in poor condition, it makes me want to scoop them up and take care of them. It also gets on my nerves when people can't afford the horses they have but refuse to sell them, so they let them slowly starve in the field...
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I see both FM's and the OP's point, only b/c if parents buy a young child a horse, there is necessarily no less than 2 people (a parent and a child), and one horse involved. That fact coupled with the multitude of other variables can make buying a young child a young horse range anywhere from a fantastic family experience to flat out disastrous.

There is just as much horse sense as ever, but the horses have most of it.
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I hate it when you go horse shopping and the horse being sold is under weight and hasn't had their feet trimmed in forever. I hate hate hate this!!! When I was marketing horses, I made sure the horse was in GOOD weight, the feet were trimmed and the horse looked presentable to a buyer!

Twice over the last month I've gone horse shopping with friends (they were buying, not me) and the horse's ribs were showing and their feet were long and chipped. The last mare I saw had this disgusting dirty tail and the seller said she had a foal 2 weeks ago that almost killed the mare upon delivery (foal died) but the vet was never called for a check up after the incident.

To each their own, I get it. I would have called the vet for a check up, but I guess If the mare is showing no signs of distress then she'll probably live, right? But wouldn't you at least groom the horse and wash the blood from her tail so you could present her better?

Sellers drive me crazy. I sold some horses for $500 (unregistered and unbroke) who were in good weight and had their feet done. They were cheap but they were taken care of. Is it so hard to care for the animal and present it properly?
Wow! $500 for unregistered, unbroke horses? That's quite a bit around here! That's what trained and talented horseflesh is going for around here. Unregistered, unbroke (and untapped potential) is going anywhere from "free" to $25. I kid you not.
I can't even begin to tell you the crap I've seen at sale barns. The last sale I went to was just to buy tack, but you have to sit through the horse sales first. Almost every single horse that came through had strangles. (I disinfected EVERYTHING.) Some had gotten themselves hurt in the pens behind, and were still being sold as the blood dripped out of the wound(s). A couple of horses couldn't be sold, so they were just passed off to a guy that had bought 2 others (they guilt tripped him into it). I've no idea how he could afford it, since round grass (the crappy grass) bales are going for about $150/bale, at least. More like $175.
I'm no animal rights activist, but I couldn't believe more people weren't sickened by it.

Totally off subject, but I really hate it when "horse people" that really don't know horses try to put human emotions on horses.
When I was boarding my filly at a facility, I was told that she would have to be put in with a group of 6-7 other horses (ages and sex ranging). They would all be fed together. I really wanted her to get the appropriate amount of food since she was at such a critical growth stage, and didn't want the crap knocked out of her (which happened a lot, as it was a small pen). Another boarder, that seemed to fancy herself as assistant manager or something, told me, with conviction, "Oh! She'll be okay! We'll be putting her out with Oliver first, so that they can get to know each other. Then she can go in with the group, and Oliver will protect her!"
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I wasnt at an auction house. They were "sport ponies". Welsh/tb/hano crosses. One or two were just welsh/qh crosses. It was more or less "breeding gone hoarders" and they had way too many horses and entirely not enough room so I sold a couple to ease the pain a little.

The only thing I did was show the potential buyer proof of vaccination, good manners, good feet, decent weight and how the horse lunged (and saddled if it ever got that far) and they gave me a check. I made sure all the manes were pulled and the horses looked appropriate.

I can't stand it when someone pulls a nasty dirt caked horse from a field and says "here's Sugar. She's gray under the mud. I'm asking $1200". Put some pride in what you do, you know?
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