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post #1 of 18 Old 07-05-2013, 01:23 AM Thread Starter
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I need someone to listen to my rant...

As some of you may know, I don't have a horse although I want one desperately. My dream horse is an OTTB gelding, 16hh+ and chestnut.
Today, well technically yesterday, my boyfriend and I went to this guy's house that he's been doing some side work for for a 4th of July party. My boyfriend has been telling me how they guy has a couple horses, but not very much about them. So I finally got the opportunity to talk to the guy myself about them today.

The reason my boyfriend is doing side work for the guy is that he is moving and has a LOT of heavy machinery and odds and ends he needs to move but the livestock can't come to the new house. I asked they guy about the horses in a joking way, because I can be pretty awkward at times, so when he asked me if I could go let his dog off of the leash I said "Sure, if you let me have one of your horses." A bit forward perhaps, but I just wanted to get down to business. The guy responded with "You want him? I have a Thoroughbred." My boyfriend and I exchanged a look, we are in no position to have a horse right now...but my boyfriend knows how much I love Thoroughbreds. Out of curiosity, and because I apparently enjoy torturing myself, I asked how old is he? How tall? What color? The answers were as follows 4yrs, 15.6hh and chestnut. I had to try very hard to contain myself, and lets face it I didn't do a very good job of it. AND because I like to go the extra mile on my self torturing expeditions I said "but what about the other horse? I thought you had two." He responded with "yeah I do he's an arabian paint stallion, I just bought him like a month ago for $1200, but I really need to get rid of this thoroughbred otherwise I'm just going to have to send him to auction for meat" AHHHH!!!! I wanted to pull my hair out! Now if my dream horse (in appearances) being at my fingertips for likely free was not enough, when you add in that my bofriend also rides and his favorite horse is an arabian and then top it off with my dream horse being thrown away and sent to slaughter....it's enough to make me scream!!

I stopped asking more questions about his abilities and such after I heard that he was 15.6hh....which doesn't exist unless he meant 16.2hh, but in either case I gathered the sense that he wasn't a very horse savvy person. He did however go on to say how he thought the horse was abused, he had a sizable scar on his leg and when he first got the TB his halter was starting to grow into his neck. Not completely unreasonable, who am I to judge that? I hadn't even seen a picture of the horse at this point. He also said that the horse was still able to be ridden , they just didn't.

Then the wife comes along and hears our discussion and offers to show me a picture of them and, continuing with my self torture pattern, I said of course. It revealed a decent looking chestnut thoroughbred, who was thin but not emaciated with little muscling which the woman proudly proclaimed was her "Brown horsie"...*non-horse savvy bells ringing*... I could only see the head of the arabian which was cute but I couldn't tell you more than that...*more bells ringing* Why is the stallion turned out with the gelding?

I struck up a bit of conversation about my own experience with horses, partly so I didn't rudely correct her about her "brown horsie" being a "ginger horsie". After my short explanation, she said "You know..he chews on the wood after he eats...I think he's trying to burp." So I said "is he just chewing or is he tensing up and making a gasping/gulpy noise?" "yeah yeah! he does that!" I told her he was a cribber and she need to get him a cribbing strap, and she could also try smearing very hot hot sauce all over the wood he has access to do this on...a suggestion that my trainer gave me for cribbers. She says it stops them after only 1-2 times after you put the hot sauce on, if you catch them when they're just starting the naughty habit. But then...something clicked...the husband had told me his halter was starting to grow into his neck when he got him, but in the picture there was no scarring or discolored hair on his neck...I have a feeling he was wearing a cribbing collar which they didn't know what it was for and assumed it was not intended to be as tight as it was.

And all of this comes down to..Why? why!?!? Why does it seem that so many people that have horses don't know a thing about them? Yet they act like they do and they own STALLIONS for heavens sake...I can't think of something much more dangerous than someone who knows virtually nothing about horses owning a stallion. The least you could do when you own a horse would be to know what common problems there are with horses and keep them in good weight.

Yet you find, more often than not, people like myself who are horse enthusiasts and would give virtually anything to have a horse of their own but are not capable of that for quite some time later in their lives. And for others still, it will never be possible for them to have their own. But these people, seemingly have horses just to have them "because they can". It is so unbelievably frustrating to me!! I literally have put hours, possibly weeks or months (total hours added up) into researching all aspects of the horse. I have spent years working on my horse care and riding skills. I have put so much effort and preparation into making sure I am ready for my horse for whenever I get him, and for what?? So these people can just own horses without having a clue about them and throw them away like trash? I'm sure if he looked this guy could find a home for the OTTB..he looks like a nice prospect. And as far as the arab goes, why buy him when you know you're going to be moving in a month?? Then complain that you just spent $1200 on him whe you have to sell? I'm being a bit bitter and harsh, I know but I find this so frustrating...so many true horse lovers can't have what they know and want more than anything else, yet people who have no clue or seemly interest in them other than "they're pretty" are allowed to have these wonderful creatures!! GAH!! Hopefully someone has something that can help me cope with this insanity.
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post #2 of 18 Old 07-05-2013, 02:44 AM
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I know the feeling, believe me. I live in a small country town, and there are horses dotted everywhere - unused, not looked after, with owners who know nothing. It's so hard to see - one in particular that gets to me is a filly that I've known since she was born. She's a Standardbred, never broken to harness or saddle, now 7-8 years old wasting in a paddock. She is such a sweet, friendly little girl that many times now I have been tempted to approach her owner (an ex-friend of my fathers) and offer to buy her... But it just isn't feasible. She's thin, has damage to her offside from an old injury that seems to have resulted in serious muscle deterioration, and has a roach back. But the fact that whenever she is in a roadside paddock she approaches me on the odd occasion that I pull over to visit makes me feel sick that she's being wasted. This is a mare that, even if she was never able to be broken in or ridden, would make someone a wonderful horse to just groom and play with.

Although on the 15.6HH remark - I think that there are people who use the points as out of 10 rather than 4, so 15.6HH could be 15.2 1/2HH.
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post #3 of 18 Old 07-05-2013, 02:52 AM
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Yet you find, more often than not, people like myself who are horse enthusiasts and would give virtually anything to have a horse of their own but are not capable of that for quite some time later in their lives. And for others still, it will never be possible for them to have their own. But these people, seemingly have horses just to have them "because they can". It is so unbelievably frustrating to me!! I literally have put hours, possibly weeks or months (total hours added up) into researching all aspects of the horse. I have spent years working on my horse care and riding skills. I have put so much effort and preparation into making sure I am ready for my horse for whenever I get him, and for what?? So these people can just own horses without having a clue about them and throw them away like trash? I'm sure if he looked this guy could find a home for the OTTB..he looks like a nice prospect. And as far as the arab goes, why buy him when you know you're going to be moving in a month?? Then complain that you just spent $1200 on him whe you have to sell? I'm being a bit bitter and harsh, I know but I find this so frustrating...so many true horse lovers can't have what they know and want more than anything else, yet people who have no clue or seemly interest in them other than "they're pretty" are allowed to have these wonderful creatures!! GAH!! Hopefully someone has something that can help me cope with this insanity.

That is my precise situation. People who own horses because they can, or because their kid wants one, then left after a fall or a couple of lessons. The same people who call greys "whites", as they do bays brown and browns black. Also those who think 1.2K is pricey and geldings are stallions.
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Could be possible as far as the height measurement is concerned, I've never heard it that way except for when someone claims a horse is "something".4hh, that's the only time I've seen or heard someone use any decimal other than .0,.1,.2 or .3.

I just feel bad about the whole situation, I know there's not much I can do to help...I've vented to my boyfriend about it...he's a rider not a horseman so he kind of just looks at me and listens because he knows it means a lot to me. But as it turns out the owner of the horses was renting the property where they are kept and moved to a place that he now owns, so the horses can't stay where they are. I found that out when my boyfriend asked me what exactly it was that I wanted to do and I told him that I could go out and work with the horses, maybe get at least the TB back to basics so he can be tried out by a potential buyer and they'll have a better idea of what he's capable of. But that just isn't feasible, the horses need to go in a bit of a hurry. My man also thinks the owner just doesn't know where to begin to market the horses. I've toyed with the idea of getting the horses cleaned up and getting good confo. shots done to help in their sales, list them on Craigslist *cringes* I know that can be hit and miss...but it seems the most likely for a quick sale, list them up on the bulletin boards of local tack shops and even getting an OTTB rescue involved and donating it there.

I'm focusing on the welfare of the OTTB because the owner seemed far more concerned about finding a home for the arabian than the OTTB....and I have a soft spot for them
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Cribbing aint a 'habit' its a stereotypical behavior thats caused by something not being right - being stalled 24/7 having not enough grazing time etcetra-- hot sauce is a mean thing to do since it wont stop a horse from cribbing.

The gelding we have now was kept with a stud and there wasnt a problem- depends on how much acres theyre running on- the stallions demeanor - and a few other things come into play- if theres mares around etcetra-- long as theyre getting along its fine.



We cant do anything about people owning horses that aint too 'horse savvy' but it happens- theyre beautiful animals that draws your attention.. i dont blame them for taking an intrest in horses- we wasnt all as 'horse savvy' as we are today- there was a time when we was new to them too and someone took the time to train us the right ways- you have to take that into concideration.. what if the shoe was on the other foot? I stay as nice and understanding as i can with new horse people and give them the information i know based on my experiences- thats all ya can really do.. unless theyre rude- that i do not like! Lol.
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I'm not trying to be nasty about it, I'm just trying to say that I wish people would do horse ownership right and not jump into it head first without learning something first and at least knowing the basics. Of course, no one is born naturally knowing about horses but thats why we take lessons, work at stables, lease horses and self educate ourselves about them through various means before we even think of getting ourselves into such a huge commitment. In my mind that's just the way it should be done, plain and simple.

As far as cribbing, I know that it is sprung from boredom, stress, lack of exercise and various other things that deal with the mental health of the horse. And those problems should be corrected and not covered up by cribbing collars or hot sauce/bitter spray or any other various preventative/anti-cribbing devise or agent. But as my trainer said when she told me the hot sauce thing, it's better to stop them quickly so that it doesn't become a habit and save them the physical problems cribbing can cause, as well as the damages to stabling. I tend to agree with that. Even though a horse became a cribber because of some sort of mental problem, they may continue do to the fact that they figured out a new trick and like the way it feels, therefore will continue cribbing even after the original mental stressor is dealt with.
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As far as cribbing, I know that it is sprung from boredom, stress, lack of exercise and various other things that deal with the mental health of the horse
Just to add - also, ulcers and lack of correct feeding regimen (adlib hay or 124/7 pastures) can cause cribbing.

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ill add A horse with out proper socialization with other horses causes it too.

Id rather see pasture puff horses that are taken care of by people who call them 'brown horsie' than a misinformed 'horse person' rubbing hotsauce on things for their horse to scratch their face on and burn their skin- to rub in their eyes- to get in their nose- to burn their innards-- its abusive because it dont stop cribbing-- please dont do that to this horse if you do get him! id say this horse has ulcers or has anxiety after eating for some reason.. Id be more worried about why than the wood at my barn.



I agree that people should take horsemanship classes but theres a lot those classes cant teach a person theyll have to learn on their own account.

Most people around here only have horses as pasture puffs- they learned most of what they know by talking to their vet and farrier and other horse people. I dont have a problem with them having 'brown horsies' 'black roans' or 'white horsies' long as theyre healthy.
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Actually, as I am learning, cribbing can be a habitual thing that they do in order to get the endorphins released by gulping and releasing the air.

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I don't want to getting into an argument over it. I wrote the original rant when I was very upset and frustrated, I even admitted I was being bitter and harsh. I'm not able to get the horse and if I was able to I would try to fix the real problem rather than trying to cover it up. As far as the hot sauce not working and being cruel, I have never done it and probably wouldn't if I had a cribber. If anything, if I needed to do anything like this I'd use a bitter spray like BitterApple. I trust my trainer very much, she isn't a crazy eccentric english trainer like so many of them seem to be and genuinely cares for the well being of horses, whether they are hers or not. So if she says the hot sauce works then I believe it. In the case of me suggesting it to the horse's current owner, I highly doubt she will try it and if she does it will at least stop him from causing physical problems to himself until a new owner can fix whatever is truly bothering him. I did explain to her that he probably didn't always crib and likely picked it up when he went from all the attention at the track to just being on turn out with minimal attention. Basically because he's bored.

I've got no problem with people calling horses by incorrect color names, I know it may seem different in my original post, but I was just saying it was a flag for how much knowledge they have with horses. I'm under the presumption that people will know basic horse colors black, brown, bay, chestnut, gray and possibly even what a paint and Appaloosa look like If they have a basic knowledge of horses. Hence why when she called the horse brown when it is very clearly chestnut it put up a little red flag that she may not have a vast amount of horse knowledge. Trust me I want to help in anyway I can that why I was asking so many questions about the horses...I wanted to try to help and see if there was anything I could do, not to verbally bash them, but there's not much I can do at this point.
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