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post #11 of 18 Old 07-05-2013, 06:09 PM Thread Starter
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Originally Posted by Endiku View Post
Actually, as I am learning, cribbing can be a habitual thing that they do in order to get the endorphins released by gulping and releasing the air.
That was my understanding as well. That's why I said that it starts due to a mental health problem, but then sometimes they will continue doing it after the initial problem is gone, they like the way it feels...what I didn't say was, what you so kindly added, they like it because of the release of endorphins.
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Originally Posted by toto View Post
Id be more worried about why than the wood at my barn.
I'd like to add that if I had a cribber on my own property I probably would not care about the wood so much either. But it is to my understanding that many boarding facilities won't even accept cribbers into their barns because they don't want the damage done to their properties.

I most definitely understand where you are coming from. And I do hope that someone gets him that understands him and works with him to fix the problem.
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post #13 of 18 Old 07-05-2013, 08:33 PM
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You know hotsauce is pepper spray? Do now.

Im not arguing, lol.
the hotsauce thing just worrys me- not just because the person you look up to is giving you false information but you believe it and would do this- im sorry but i just cant ignore something like that- i had to step in and tell you it aint right.

I wouldnt say english instructors are crazy just strict because they want you to be doing things right.. OK- some are crazy but thats just horse people!

Knowing a horses color dont have nothin to do with their skill level- a brown horse can be a hard one for most very skilled horse people since it looks so much like a bay.

i like to have an open mind about other peoples views but im gonna speak up when i see or hear something dangerous.. dont be angry i just dont like cruelty- but they make horse muzzles not 'graizing muzzles'- the metal n fleece ones for biters work great for cribbers not messing up your barn.. they can drink water and eat with em on too.

and im sorry you didnt end up getting the horse- maybe it wasnt right for you but youll find one that is one day.

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Thanks, wish I could've taken him but it was never a possibility for me at this point in my life, no finances for it.

Yeah there's a special pepper that is the main ingredient in pepper spray, I found that out when I was reading the labels on my boyfriend's incredibly hot hot sauces. It's in some of them alright lol but not all. Its called Oleoresin Capsicum. Yeah my boyfriend is crazy...he has a hot sauce that is 357,000 scollville and he puts it on everything..nut ball (357 Mad Dog...for anyone who's crazy enough to be interested is the name). To put that into perspective, the original Tabasco is 5,000 scollville (just incase you don't know scollville is the scale used to measure the spice heat in peppers and sauces). He has some that literally say on the label that they can also be used to remove grease stains from driveways...

I would NEVER use something that hot if I were to try the hot sauce thing myself. I actually got curious enough after this debate to see what others have to say about the hot sauce for cribbing, Turns out it is an old trick and multiple people have tried it. Works for some and not for others. Some horses even seemed to like the taste of it! :P

I'm sorry I just kind of taking the "that's abuse" claim to heart considering I'm a vet tech and make my living caring for the well being of animals. I would never intentionally harm an animal in a way that is going to affect them long term. And what I mean but that is sometimes it is necessary to do a little harm for the greater good...we vaccinate animals-the needle hurts, sometimes the vaccine stings, they might get sore and achy for the next day but in the grand scheme of things that little bit of "suffering" makes sure they don't die of rabies or feline leukemia etc.
We have to do skin scrapes with a scalpel to check for mites under the microscope -in order to do that you have to rub the blade back and forth across their skin (holding the blade perpendicular to the skin, not slicing) until it bleeds because that's where the mites live, in the live layer of the skin, I'm sure that doesn't feel very good but at the end of the day we can see what kind of skin problem is going on for sure and bring them relief.
Some older animals that come in to be euthanized have such horrible veins that not even the older techs that have been placing catheters for 30 years can't get one in until the 10th try, that's not fun either for the animals or us but in the end they get to go to heaven and end their suffering.

So if putting a little hot sauce on the wood to make the horse stop cribbing quickly, and then take the time to fix the mental problem, burns their lips and tongue a little in the mean time...then so be it, little harm for the greater good.

And we may just have to settle on agreeing to disagree on this one

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post #15 of 18 Old 07-05-2013, 10:54 PM
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Oleoresin is just oils mixed with resin and capsaicin-- capsaicin is the hot part of a pepper-- my man likes the hot peppers too- hes grows whats called a 'ghost pepper' if

you dont chew it up it can tear a hole in your stomach!

Lol id hope as a vet tech you wouldnt use hotsauce in the first place because youd know it dont work- id say the ones who claimed it worked aint tried it n just heard talk of it.

i wouldnt say they 'like' the taste of hot pepper but they just didnt care enough to let it stop them from cribbing- this sounds about right.

Im not one to say everything is abusive but putting hot pepper where a cribbing horse is going to crib is abusive- theyre gonna crib there anyway dont too much matter what you use on the wood- thats why its abuse- the humane thing to do would be the wire n fleece muzzle for biters since they can drink and eat with it but protects the wood in the barn if the bo is that worried about it.

There is no 'quick fix' for cribbing-- lol trust me if hotsauce was a miracle cure for cribbing there wouldnt be any cribbers. i believe fact not crazy made up storys-- i had a guy tell me to tie a hay string around a horses flank and to the saddle horn because it stopped bucking, lol. Im gonna throw this story in with that one- i dont mean to offend ya any but as an equestrian you need to know when someone is full of it and when theyre telling the truth.
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I feel like my point is getting lost in translation somewhere

I'm not saying I want to try it on any horse...I'm simply saying I feel that if I or anyone else felt they did want to try it, it would not be that detrimental to the horse, certainly not anything I would classify as abuse, especially if their horses were one of the ones that it does stop from cribbing.

I never meant to give the impression that I think that any gimmic is an automatic fix. If I did I did not mean to.

Also! Very exciting for me. My boyfriend just got home from working at the owner's house....he talked to the owner for me and now the owner is trying to find a place for the horses to go where he can keep them! It looks like I might get to work with them after all!
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Many has been the time I simplify horse lingo to visitors. I ride a sorrel Paint, but if you were here, and I knew you didn't have horses, and you asked which one I rode, I would say that tall red & white spotted one. Have to add tall because there's more than one sorrel Paint on this place.( :

I would imagine I'm not the only one that tries to relate to non-horse people in a way they can understand without long explanations. So some of those people may know a lot more than you're giving them credit for.

As far as why some people who don't deserve to have horses, do, and some who deserve them, don't...well, that's just life and it applies to many things not just horses. It's a lesson we all have to learn along the way.
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post #18 of 18 Old 07-05-2013, 11:45 PM
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This situation is just one more classic example of how simply owning a horse does not make one an expert on them or their behavior. Some people on this forum have suggested that unless a person has owned a horse, that they can never know much about them. Baloney! It all depends on your dedication to the subject. Like you, I have studied them, their behavior (both in books and life- I grew up with horses living on the other side of our back yard fence). I've researched, studied, and even ridden them longer than a lot of my critics have even probably been on the earth.

I totally get it though about not being able to have a horse- I've wanted one ever since I can remember but never was able. Even when I was seven or eight (?) years old, and my dad sold some land that he owned and said to me- loudly enough for others to hear- as we were leaving the bank, "Now maybe we can see about getting that horse you've been wanting."

Never happened. He never even took me to look at any.

And for the record- to me, if a horse has a white coat, it's white. Pfff!

Or the time I was offered a free horse from a friend of a friend who knew I liked them- but at the time I was an unemployed, unpaid caregiver to a sick parent and had no possible way to care for a horse or to pay boarding fees (we lived in an apartment).

Even now, with a full-time job, I can't even afford a car much less a horse. And if I could, I wouldn't have the time to do much with it.

Oh, and for the record- If a horse has a white coat, it's white. Pfff! :P

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